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by spork
Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:22 pm
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

Craz Z wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:48 pm
It is an advanced wing so it maybe harder to ride for novice intermediate foilers.
I rode that foil last season briefly. I didn't find it difficult to ride.
by spork
Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:17 am
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

But prior art doesn't keep people from making and selling stuff. It just keeps them from patenting it.
by spork
Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:19 pm
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

>> Create a 'design patent' and claim a different look....MUCH cheaper too.... Sure - if you have a specific look you can file a design patent for that specific look, but... 1) It will protect *only* that specific look. It doesn't prevent anyone from making the same product with any other look. 2) T...
by spork
Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:59 am
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

You can talk about pretty much anything you like in a patent abstract and disclosure. But the only thing that's "patented" is what you outline in the claims. The 9789935 patent has only three independent claims, and they're bizarrely specific. For example, claim 1 requires that the profile of the ma...
by spork
Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:25 pm
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

Bluntly copying a design is immoral, even if done with different materials and I wouldn’t buy one mainly on moral grounds. Here's a related question just for fun... Let's say you have a company that uses the "give away the razor to sell the blades" business model. Would you consider it immoral if o...
by spork
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:29 am
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

I understand that completely - and I commend you. That's how the state of the art moves forward. I've done that with many things myself. But in my opinion there's a spectrum between 100% novelty and outright copies. Being inspired by something and choosing to improve it, even very significantly, fal...
by spork
Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:48 am
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

Even if it is not patented, if you 1 to 1 copy the design without permission, it is still theft (legal of not)... I disagree, but now we're down to arguing about definitions. ...and should not be encouraged by the consumer. I'm less inclined to get into that debate. I will say that I've never bough...
by spork
Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:01 pm
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

It is bad to bluntly copy somebody work or to steal something. It's fine to say that it's "bad" to copy someone's work. But it's all too common to accuse people of stealing others' designs. If it's not patented, and there's no contract or NDA in place, it's not stealing. I'm not suggesting it's not...
by spork
Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

To me it looks like the same foil with a different board.
by spork
Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:29 am
Forum: Hydrofoil
Topic: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment
Replies: 377
Views: 74171

Re: Chinese KB Hydrofoil : 300 USD + shipment

I'm thinking maybe that was too much of a screaming deal (or a typo). It's now listed at $949 rather than $499...

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