In 30 knots average wind on a waveboard for average weights, a 5 m2 starts getting too big pretty fast, and 4 and 4½ m2 starts to fit very soon. 50 knots as said, is simply a very wrong interpretation of how much wind there really is, and I bet 99 % are wrong when they say they were out in 50 knots ...

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Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:44 pm

If you're outrunning a section of wave you want to ride then do a cutback. Surfers have been doing it forever. And what if you want to make a section and need the speed to make it? A massive 2100 cm is not necessary but could be fun IMO.

Very true

Rolf, Don't know why I want shorter fuselage or stabs! Just a thought.... I'm really happy with 633 set up. Hard to find anything bad about it. I can go really slow. I know why, they are big and slow so of course we want to speed them up - nothing is perfect but a compromise :rollgrin: Shorter fuse...

ideaR's - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1401357387/bubble-hat/?ref=kicktraq Sorry to hear about the injury but some things are just not practical. Holy crap, I thought this was a joke, but I guess not! You can be safe to play football, but you'll have to look like the Juggernaut! :lol: :lol:...

Having boards from 85 to 175 cm, 6 different sizes, but only considering pocket boards in this thread: Really short pocket boards cons - Nose scoop not possible, giving the first 4 cons here. Can not be ridden on the surface really. IF they should be ever so slightly ridden on the surface, the angle...

I dont like stabless, not for me... But using really small stabilizers can be utmost fun sometimes, with big wings, as you get a super lively foil in waves now, and more than sufficient stability. A couple of years ago I cut a stabilizer down to just under 200 cm2, works terrific. And I can see in t...

Sorry, if you were referring to me tomtom, but I was talking LEIs only, not foil kites, as I believe this thread is about strutless LEIs and maybe onestruts

Foil kites are a different league in terms of relaunch, very true

Peter

Hi tomtom, yes Storm Voyagers reverse launch on the water. I think all kites for all brands can do this on land at least - this is how I always start when 10 m2 and above, because there is too little wind to launch any other way... On the water they can also do this, but NOT always easy as the waves...

Just a thought... Wouldn't it 'work' if you like a very slow ride and pick a kite several sizes smaller than you normally would? But this is what we do with our 1200 cm2 Surf wings now Peert, pick two sizes smaller kites :thumb: So for average weights it seems too big with 2100 cm2, but for 140 kg ...

I am pretty sure above characteristics goes for most strutless kites. Clouds being the most extreme as more lightweight of course. Around here we are riding Storm Voyagers in 12 and 15 m2, 2017-2018. And also got the 11 and 13 m2 V 2019 with one strut, of course the strut heavier, but really amazing...