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Postby Guest » Mon May 12, 2003 1:29 pm
Are guerilla arcs very durables kites ? I noticed that flyingsheet joints are made with only one knitting and glue. that isn't convincing for me. Are there any reported guerilla breakups ? Does guerilla stand very hard usage ? what about winter time durability ? -30C degrees in celcius, is that ok for guerilla ?
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Postby chicagokitesurfer » Mon May 12, 2003 4:06 pm
Awesome durability. The standard arcs lasted 3-4 years. The guerillas a built more durable. I don't see any problems with the guerillas for winter, either. I use mine on water and ice. Much better than pumping up an inflato. If you want one kite for winter and summer, the guerilla is all of it in one.
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Postby wakeboy » Mon May 12, 2003 4:46 pm
ive had arcs and garc for a while now and i have never seen any seem come undone infact i would say the garcs are constructed even better than the old arcs... and they have been pretty durable, even when crashed they are always held together...
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Postby kiteboarder@pacbell.net » Mon May 12, 2003 9:11 pm
The seams may seem weak by comparison to an inflatable, but there's likely only about half the load on them, since there are two skins taking the stress instead of only one. Anyway, I've never had any seam problems after several years of ARC use, & now several months on a Guerilla, which is built even stronger (as noted above).
I recently crashed my Guerilla in 5-25mph winds on a shipping container (with lots of hard, sharp protrusions) parked on the beach, & there was no damage at all.
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Postby theflyingtinman » Mon May 12, 2003 9:22 pm
Have to agree with the replies so far. I bought a used (well used) Arc
1120 two and a half years ago. I later bought all the other sizes but
the old 1120 had been my most used kite up to a month ago when I sold
them all to buy G-Arcs. Despite some of the most attrocious launch
conditions and my main spot (see for yourself) ....
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arcusers/ ... an/3rdAve/
...there was not a tear or repaired seam on any of the kites. And
it's true the G-Arcs look even more sturdy than the S-Arcs did.
On the other hand I've seen or heard of dozens of other types of
kites eaten by this site.
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Postby Mr Float » Mon May 12, 2003 11:11 pm
Hey tinman
Yikes!!!Hows the radiation at that bombsite?
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Postby MonkeyAir » Wed May 14, 2003 7:52 am
Have to agree.
Our snow kite instructor Wess spent the winter kite snowboarding daily on his well worn water 1510 and 12 G proto and is now back to the water for summer with no problems and a zillion tree and less than perfect post session landings on the kites. The things are just plain duro. That's why they always are in the car to Mex on wave trips. Guaranteed reliability. All my old and very worked kites are still flying above somebody. Nice to see really. Kind of like seeing an old girlfriend with some other... in a film....Well that sucks, but the ex kite still flying thing is cool.
Hey Steve. Lach may be on to something there. SNicker, snicker.... Looks like the rebar/ munitions dump that Godzilla and Monster Zero fought in the Japanese movie classic "Monsters In Cwappy Raunch Spot" Look for some very large lizard footprints in your launch area, make a plaster mold and sell to the Smithsonian. Be sure to wear lead undies. Don't want a three headed Steve Junior. They must sell a full suit with a radiation monitor.
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Postby Mountebank » Wed May 14, 2003 11:07 am
Don't want to upset the ram boys too much , but in Oz there was a big problem with the Arc kites stretching and having all sorts of handling problems. Most of the guys that bought them had them fixed by a local sailmakers (tuck jobs),and then sold them off.As for the Garcs - I have only seen a few ..and yes.. they look good (as did the new arcs), only time will tell if they have a better life than the Arcs did.Don't get me wrong..almost all early inflats (all mylar ones at least) self destructed due to shoddy materials as well .. but on the whole they have come out the better option.
Lets hope the Garcs have sorted out the long term stretching problems.
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Postby Arcsrule » Wed May 14, 2003 11:28 am
[quote="Mountebank".....Arc kites stretching and having all sorts of handling problems....
Not really! There was a stretching problem for some--me included. the trailing edge material shrank. But that was fixed by getting it wet and pulling the short side until the two were even. Took me about 2 minutes to fix. And I never sold any of my arc's because of it.
Most of the guys that bought them had them fixed by a local sailmakers (tuck jobs),and then sold them off.
NOT! Maybe in OZ but not in the US. We did some tucks for sure, but kept them and used them. The tucks we did improved the performance. You being a non ARC flyer don't understand the ARC's. I'm not trying to flame you at all, but your opinions are not based on first hand knowledge but only what you have read and heard.
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Postby MonkeyAir » Thu May 15, 2003 7:00 am
When a lei crashes hard, it tears in half and or blows its bladder. When an arc crashes hard repeatedly, you could get some skin stretch. It is a very easy repair in the case of the arc. This has been my experience in thousands of hours of air time with customers and my own arcs since the first protos. 98 percent have no problems at all. Even those guys who some how manage to slam them into the beach and cars and who refuse to take lessons generaly have very minor stretch damage done from the posts I have read. In the past week localy there have been many torn in half new leis after a simple high speed leading edge crash. If you want durablitiy, there is no better kite than an arc. Did I mention the cactus and other sharp objects on and or near out beaches? I left my brand new inflated lei on the beach and went out on my arc to come back to a kite with a flat strut. The sand looked perfectly clean!!! ARRRGGG!!! Arcs don't stretch from simple daily use. They have to be slamned hard and repeatedly. You could even fix this sort of damage yourself in the outback with a thread and needle and, or some sail repair tape. A little plastic surgery for an abused arc. A trash can is about the best you can do for the other type of kite in this situation. Been there. Spars don't break unless you jump or stand on them. I have broken three in four years. (Including my teaching kites) No offense or lei bashing meant. I really like tube kites as well. Just a bit of reality for those without first hand knowledge and only some very inacurate rumors floated by less than ethical sorts that finds it's way to nice guys like you. All the arc guys I know in Aus like Aaron and crew have had no problems on theirs, students or others. Maybe you were exposed to the batch of 630's with trim that should not have been put on and shrunk. We simply removed the trim on this batch of 630's and they were great. An asymetric tube kite from the factory is a complete loss. We teach, sell and use both types of kites. Just our experience out here in the U. S. and from my friends and customers around the globe.
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