I agree with this....sq225917 wrote:i think you might be over estimating the draw of the bow kites..
but I think they have done a pretty good start, especially putting more focus on safety. While the kite market is still growing it is very good to know that many newcomers will have the choice to start with safer kites and potentially require to buy onle one (max two) to get started.sq225917 wrote: it look how long it took to get where we are with c shapes, 8 years of design revisions and they still arent perfect. maybe the bow kites are starting from a better initial design point, but they are still going to take time to get some of the obvious production issues ironed out.
KiteKarl wrote:I voted with my cash for the xbow so I know its drawbacks.
My point is that just because you "voted with your cash" does not necessarily prove anything. If you did "know its drawbacks" you at least would have waited a month to get an xbow with the simple modifications.KiteKarl wrote:Viet, maybe you can point out where my self denial is.
Here is a good question. I think that some are defending their point of view and the options they took and the reasons they evaluated to do them. Others are protection (or trying to) their investment.vietkiter wrote: How about some consumer protection advocacy here... why are people protecting brands?
Where am I protecting the brand? I've openly stated my issues with the kite. Really Viet, how you come up with this crap is beyond me. You can't know all of a kites drawbacks in the first week or two. Where did I claim to be an expert on anything? Where did I claim to have faith in the brand? I bought the kite because I demo'd it and liked its performance and the price wasn't an issue with me. I'm simply stating my experience with the kite and Cabrinha. Cabrinha contracts out their warranty claims. It took about 10 days from the time I sent my claim in to the time they accepted.vietkiter wrote:KiteKarl wrote:I voted with my cash for the xbow so I know its drawbacks.My point is that just because you "voted with your cash" does not necessarily prove anything. If you did "know its drawbacks" you at least would have waited a month to get an xbow with the simple modifications.KiteKarl wrote:Viet, maybe you can point out where my self denial is.
Specifically, you are not special/expert just because you "voted with your cash"... you faced the same issues that all customers do... that is the "cash vote" represents MORE a leap a faith in the product and the brand... and LESS on KNOWN DRAWBACKS!
As such, since you are an early adapter and trusted the brand with a big wad of cash, it can at least
a) be upfront about the product (instead of hoping you don't realize the modications that being made in subsequent batches)
b) be responsive about problems
If customers like you have faith in the brand... why can't the brand initial premise be... "customer is probably right" instead of the usual delay/denial tactic and to portray customers' complaints as paranoid machination...
So instead... you should be saying... Since I voted for Cabrinha with my Cash... how about protecting me from the unbeknownst Drawbacks. A customer should not have to make a stink on kiteforum to get problems resolve.
How about some consumer protection advocacy here... why are people protecting brands?
SQ, again, very disappointing. If you keep going like this you are not going to have any credibility in this forum (some people may think you don't have any already).sq225917 wrote:i think you might be over estimating the draw of the bow kites.
for every guy i know who liked them i know another who didnt dig what they offer.
i fall into the second camp, whilst i'd love the drop bar depower, i'm not prepared to take the riding feel to pay for it.
i don't doubt that for some people they will be exactly what they are looking for, but like anything new, i think we are a good few design revolutions away from the ideal.
look how long it took to get where we are with c shapes, 8 years of design revisions and they still arent perfect. maybe the bow kites are starting from a better initial design point, but they are still going to take time to get some of the obvious production issues ironed out.
Hum... what is the problem?Phillipp wrote:SQ, again, very disappointing. If you keep going like this you are not going to have any credibility in this forum (some people may think you don't have any already).sq225917 wrote:i think you might be over estimating the draw of the bow kites.
for every guy i know who liked them i know another who didnt dig what they offer.
i fall into the second camp, whilst i'd love the drop bar depower, i'm not prepared to take the riding feel to pay for it.
i don't doubt that for some people they will be exactly what they are looking for, but like anything new, i think we are a good few design revolutions away from the ideal.
look how long it took to get where we are with c shapes, 8 years of design revisions and they still arent perfect. maybe the bow kites are starting from a better initial design point, but they are still going to take time to get some of the obvious production issues ironed out.
I would strongly recommend you to stop with your childish behaviour.
It will have it's consequences if you don't.
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Wawando, I agree that this one was a tame one on SQ's Bow bashing standards. I was just getting a bit annoyed after reading 5 different threads (some of them not even related to the topic Bow kite) and SQ was having a go at them without any facts, qualification, etc.Wawando wrote: Hum... what is the problem?
It looks like a ver normal post to me with a valuable opinion. Am i missing something?
There are several other kiters with exactly the same position (here at the forum and i imagine in every beach). Specially the most experienced ones (that are more used to C shaped).
I wish bows where even better too. Just like i would like C shapes had most of the bow kites behaviour - then we would not be having this chat
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