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 Post subject: beginner kiteboarder's survival guide
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:21 am 
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Just finished your lessons and taking the first steps as an independent kiteboarder?
We've compiled some tips for you to help make those first sessions without your instructor a little easier.

Hope they help someone out there.

:D

http://www.whenitswindy.com/wp/?page_id=178


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 Post subject: Re: beginner kiteboarder's survival guide
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:53 am 
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 Post subject: Re: beginners first steps without instructor.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:59 am 
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I'd like to add one thing, to your awesome list of things for a beginner : :thumb:

Go to a park , (at night-time) when there's No thermals from the
sun, and the turbulence from the wind is all but gone, and fly your kite
in smooth wind of 3-5 knots of wind. Light enough wind that it will fall
from the sky, unless it's flying forward.
The wind should be light enough
that a kite-loop will yield a 1 or 2-M slide on your butt across
the grass.

Fly your kite in those conditions, until you can close your
eyes and determine the Exact tract your kite is on , at any moment
in time.

Become One with your kite ---- grasshopper !!!
If you get a New kite ; start over.

Bille

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 Post subject: Re: beginner kiteboarder's survival guide
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:25 am 
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Seem valid.

Though it completely misses the most important aspect of kiting. The thing that will kill you if you don't understand it.

The wind!

The best thing a learner can do is learn about wind conditions. how to read forecasts, when to kite when not to kite. What happens when a squall hits. What is a squall? Gusts/lulls, rain, seabreases, front driven wind, ect ect ect.

Lack of understand of the weather patterns and wind in my opinion is the biggest killer of all.


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 Post subject: Re: beginner kiteboarder's survival guide
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:28 am 
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Great webpage
My suggestion: add rules of the road
- Have situational awareness, be aware of who is around you
- If another kiter downwind of you, raise your kite, don't lower it (dammitt...)
- If other kiter upwind of you, lower your kite, don't raise it (ferchrissakes...)
- Stay away from juicy waves (don't block them for 15 minutes while fumbling around for your board (fertheloveofeverythingsacred...)

End of rant.


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 Post subject: Re: beginner kiteboarder's survival guide
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:11 pm 
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Thanks for your feedback. :)

Will incorporate your suggestions as they are Extremely important. ( might take a few days though so be gentle) Rules of the road will be coming soon. ;)
Was trying to keep this list short (relatively), aiming mainly at people who've completed a set of lessons and the problems that I see beginners at this stage regularly encountering.

Cheers

Jonny


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 Post subject: Re: beginner kiteboarder's survival guide
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:03 pm 
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One thing you should point out to beginners is to grab the largest board for learning they can and swap out down the road. "Growing into" a board is the dumbest idea as re: kitesurfing, both because it slows progression down alot when the rider is trying to learn on too small of a board and also because resale values on board are relatively high, meaning you can buy a big board early, use it, resell it when ready for a smaller board and the loss is trivial ($100-$200). In contrast, the large number of sessions it will save you by allowing you to progress faster - well, in terms of cost of gasoline, car depreciation/miles, lodging, access/parking fees, etc. - an avg windy day session comes in at about $50 for me. Saving 15 sessions due to faster progression and having a better time of it on top of that is much better than eating a $150 depreciation loss from resale/purchase.

Most beginners are resistant to this because they are hoping they are trying to economize on the large startup costs for kitesurfing. It takes practice and a smaller board makes early stage progression very difficult. 30 hours of Lessons are more expensive than any board and a large, flexy board like a Litewave Wing, SS Misfit, or North Gonzalez will make progression go MUCH faster. To this day I hold a grudge against my former instructors for having me on such small boards relative to what I know I need for low, moderate, and high wind. My high wind ideal board is larger than the boards they tried to get me to learn waterstarts on.


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 Post subject: Re: beginners first steps without instructor.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:37 pm 
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I don't think I would ever recommend to a beginner to fly their kite on land... unless it was a trainer kite, and realistically they should have been at this level of kite flying before they take their first lessons anyhow... You have some strange ideas Bille, not a bad thing just cannot agree in this instant.



Bille wrote:
I'd like to add one thing, to your awesome list of things for a beginner : :thumb:

Go to a park , (at night-time) when there's No thermals from the
sun, and the turbulence from the wind is all but gone, and fly your kite
in smooth wind of 3-5 knots of wind. Light enough wind that it will fall
from the sky, unless it's flying forward.
The wind should be light enough
that a kite-loop will yield a 1 or 2-M slide on your butt across
the grass.

Fly your kite in those conditions, until you can close your
eyes and determine the Exact tract your kite is on , at any moment
in time.

Become One with your kite ---- grasshopper !!!
If you get a New kite ; start over.

Bille

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Fuck-off Dude !


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 Post subject: Re: beginner kiteboarder's survival guide
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:54 pm 
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Billie's suggestion is brilliant in so many ways. Light wind is a beginner's worst nightmare. Learning to control the kite when it starts falling from the sky is what every beginner puts off. Instructors tend to train for light wind conditions ONLY, which I still don't understand, so students don't understand the difference between keeping the kite up in light wind and normal kite navigation in normal to strong wind. There is a difference. Billie's exercise can help a beginner learn to loop the kite just to keep it up in very light wind. You can't learn that with a trainer kite, which is useless anyway, bc you need to feel the kite pulling your body. And you can't do this on the water bc 4-6 knots is just not enough to body drag.
Love the idea, Billie. I think every kite instructor should include this lesson in their beginner package.


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 Post subject: Re: beginners first steps without instructor.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:32 pm 
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Laughingman wrote:
I don't think I would ever recommend to a beginner to fly their kite on land... unless it was a trainer kite, and realistically they should have been at this level of kite flying before they take their first lessons anyhow... You have some strange ideas Bille, not a bad thing just cannot agree in this instant.


I can see your concern ; especially if Ya live in places of the world that
have unstable winds at night . :thumb:

How about This then ; don't use a harness, and just hold the chicken loop
in one hand, and do your sheeting and turning with the other hand ?
I actually do that a Lot ; run backwards to get the kite in the air, and
once i find the sweet-spot on the sheeting, i put a 1/2 loop from the sheeting
cord, around the bar, and hold it there with my thumb ,
( now i can fly with both hands and let-go if something bad happens) .

I use a Peter Lynn 10-M Venom , when i do my nighttime kite flying ; it
works Great under a full moon with a bite-buggy on the dry-lake bed, but
in the grass i go to the 16-M because there's more drag on my wheels.
I can go in about 5-mph wind ! So Fun !! :D

If the Kite STOPS ; it "DROPS" .

Bille


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