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DanielorDani
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Postby DanielorDani » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:42 pm
For kitefoil: The dimensions of the SS ptm 730 seem similar that the SK8 650, are they similar in terms of riding?
Adding... for kite is much better the pfh 657 than the 730? I ask it because Fred Hope is taking the 657
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grigorib
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Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:53 pm
DanielorDani wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:42 pm
For kitefoil: The dimensions of the SS ptm 730 seem similar that the SK8 650, are they similar in terms of riding?
Adding... for kite is much better the pfh 657 than the 730? I ask it because Fred Hope is taking the 657
Fred rides 657 because he’s a lightweight rider and 657 is pretty close to GW 590 he’s been riding since 2018. The 730 is slightly bigger, would work better for a heavier rider and will be fun too.
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dsachik
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Postby dsachik » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:04 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:53 pm
DanielorDani wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:42 pm
For kitefoil: The dimensions of the SS ptm 730 seem similar that the SK8 650, are they similar in terms of riding?
Adding... for kite is much better the pfh 657 than the 730? I ask it because Fred Hope is taking the 657
Fred rides 657 because he’s a lightweight rider and 657 is pretty close to GW 590 he’s been riding since 2018. The 730 is slightly bigger, would work better for a heavier rider and will be fun too.
isn't the ptm730 665cm vs the 657 at 743cm?
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grigorib
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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x
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Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:27 pm
dsachik wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:04 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:53 pm
DanielorDani wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:42 pm
For kitefoil: The dimensions of the SS ptm 730 seem similar that the SK8 650, are they similar in terms of riding?
Adding... for kite is much better the pfh 657 than the 730? I ask it because Fred Hope is taking the 657
Fred rides 657 because he’s a lightweight rider and 657 is pretty close to GW 590 he’s been riding since 2018. The 730 is slightly bigger, would work better for a heavier rider and will be fun too.
isn't the ptm730 665cm vs the 657 at 743cm?
You’re right! For some reason the 730 looked close to Moses 740/800 which are larger wings
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DanielorDani
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Postby DanielorDani » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:04 pm
No comparisons?
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lifeinthehood
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Postby lifeinthehood » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:11 pm
Probably not too many people will have ridden all of your choices to be able to compare. Plus, you haven't provided much information as to what your local conditions are like, what your riding style and experience is, what you're after that you feel your 684 doesn't provide, etc. Asking which foil is better all depends on how you plan to use it and with what other equipment.
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DanielorDani
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Postby DanielorDani » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:54 pm
lifeinthehood wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:11 pm
Probably not too many people will have ridden all of your choices to be able to compare. Plus, you haven't provided much information as to what your local conditions are like, what your riding style and experience is, what you're after that you feel your 684 doesn't provide, etc. Asking which foil is better all depends on how you plan to use it and with what other equipment.
I ride the ptm 684 mostly in 15 to 24 knots and little swell/waves. I just love to carve with small kites.
When I tried the ptm 730 I felt that has a bigger stall speed than the 684, but it provides a lock-in feeling that gives more stability and confidence in the carving. The carve can be in a dime and poweful. I like it.
I would like to know if the fone sk8 and the 657 are much better, but I understand what you mean.
But better asking here, because to try front winga isnt easy.
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lifeinthehood
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Postby lifeinthehood » Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:26 pm
DanielorDani wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:54 pm
lifeinthehood wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:11 pm
Probably not too many people will have ridden all of your choices to be able to compare. Plus, you haven't provided much information as to what your local conditions are like, what your riding style and experience is, what you're after that you feel your 684 doesn't provide, etc. Asking which foil is better all depends on how you plan to use it and with what other equipment.
I ride the ptm 684 mostly in 15 to 24 knots and little swell/waves. I just love to carve with small kites.
When I tried the ptm 730 I felt that has a bigger stall speed than the 684, but it provides a lock-in feeling that gives more stability and confidence in the carving. The carve can be in a dime and poweful. I like it.
I would like to know if the fone sk8 and the 657 are much better, but I understand what you mean.
But better asking here, because to try front winga isnt easy.
When I want to carve I usually seek out less stability. But it sounds like you're looking for carving high speed turns, for which both the 657 and 730 should work well. If you tested the 730 and that feeling is what you're after, then you that's the one you should get. The 657 will glide less but should have a bit better stall speed.
Also, it a lot will depend on the stab you use with them. Their 400 will be stable in all axes. The 325 is stable in yaw, but pitch and roll sensitive. Then they have the new stabs which are somewhere between the two. All just depends on what you're after.
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Postby northandcold » Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:10 am
I have 657 and 730. I rode both with the long 710 fuselage and the ps 400.
In this combination, the 730 develops an incredible front foot pressure. Especially at higher speeds.
The 657 is easier to carve - only requires a short impulse, the 730 also turns surprisingly well, but has to be guided a little more actively.
Overall for me the 730 is better. The glide is amazing!
I think the combination with the long fuselage and the PS400 is not ideal. I tried also the PS 325 with the long fuse but didn't like it. Max speed is nearly the same.
I have to test both with the short fuselage.
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DanielorDani
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Postby DanielorDani » Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:52 pm
northandcold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:10 am
I have 657 and 730. I rode both with the long 710 fuselage and the ps 400.
In this combination, the 730 develops an incredible front foot pressure. Especially at higher speeds.
The 657 is easier to carve - only requires a short impulse, the 730 also turns surprisingly well, but has to be guided a little more actively.
Overall for me the 730 is better. The glide is amazing!
I think the combination with the long fuselage and the PS400 is not ideal. I tried also the PS 325 with the long fuse but didn't like it. Max speed is nearly the same.
I have to test both with the short fuselage.
I havent tried any different fuselage than the 710, but I tried the 730 with the ps 360 and it felt great.
So, due to the glide, it sounds better the 730
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