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WHY NOT JUST USE A SHACKLE

Postby surfingwithkites » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:02 am

So, totally serious here, no joke, no sarcasm, no criticism of anyone or any style or anything.

Since the new kites are meant to be ridden hooked in, and since no one (hardly) unhooks anyway, and since donkey dicks are such a lame afterthought in kite design, and since safety and quick releases are so important.....

Why don't harnesses just have a shackle with a great swivel and a great quick release instead of a hook? What is the point of a hook if you use a donkey dick anyway? It could be so much safer and reliable. Rick I.? What say you about this? Am I missing something?

Totally serious about this. Why not just have a really reliable built in shackle with a fool proof QR that is dead center and easy to reach? What is the reason this hasn't happened? Do people like to pretend they will someday unhook? What is stopping the demise of the hook? Is it a carry over from poleboarding?

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Postby Bozo » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:11 am

hey, that might not be a bad idea...

http://www.wichard-usa.com/ProductBulletins/index_7.jpg

with that style of shackle, quick release is very reliable, plus they are very easy to close one handed for re-hooking for the occasional un-hooked trick.

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Postby tungsten222 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:18 am

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Postby TheRussian » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:21 am

bollox to it why stop there..... bring back two-line kites and wrist leashes

Have you ever used a shackle? The problem is they are not relaible for releasing under load and as we all know there is no such thing as a fool proof safety/release

But that said, I've still got a couple of spreaders knocking around the shed welded up with some serious shackles.... let the bidding commence :D

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Postby kite_n_rnd » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:25 am

Bozo wrote:hey, that might not be a bad idea...

http://www.wichard-usa.com/ProductBulletins/index_7.jpg

with that style of shackle, quick release is very reliable, plus they are very easy to close one handed for re-hooking for the occasional un-hooked trick.
Actually, that is not the safe shackle to use. You need to use this
one because the other one may be hard to release
under full load.
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Postby TheRussian » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:32 am

although that is the one I used to use, the little bit of rope/string was easy to snap, aside from that, it's all good :duh:

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Postby Scribbler » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:37 am

You mean something like this?
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Postby TheRussian » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:40 am

J, they were as close as anyone got..... but snapped like biscuits and dug in when you ride toe side...either that or one pie too many

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Postby kite_n_rnd » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:43 am

tungsten222 wrote: 1. IF it jams, you are fucked. The most simple and most sophisticated construction can jam under the influence of sand, salt, mud, dangling ends of rope, a crash impact with a rock, you name it. The only thing that can't jam is an open system like solid open hook.

2. true one hand use.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'true one hand use', but as for
jamming, you would have to be real foolish to have only the shackle
release to disconnect you from the kite. If you use a shackle, you
definitely need a quick release (at at the end of the CL (chicken loop))
as well.

As for safety, when you're being dragged at full speed while on your
stomach or on your back, the difference between the shackle and
the 'solid open hook' diminishes, and you have to rely on your
quick release anyway, because of the high tension in your front lines,
you may not be able to pull down and unhook from the CL anyway.

Keep a knife handy, and practice often grabbing for the quick release
to reduce your reaction time.

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Postby Stone » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:10 am

Give me a break.

People are always begging for more and more "safety features" on kites. Want to know the best safety feature? Unhooking from your damn kite. It might not always be possibe in extreme situations, but when the shit hits the fan if you can yank that bar towards you and bail that tea bag you're in much better shape.

Leashes, safety releases, secondary releases... truthfully, ask yourself deep down inside: if you were about to get smashed into an inanimate object full force how quick would you be able to pull a safety release? Really. How quick? Unless you've been practicing I'm going to guess you would have a hard time remembering where the damn release was and which way it goes in all the confusion.

It's the illusion of safety that people buy.

I have yet to know someone that has intentionally pulled a safety release for safety's sake. I'm sure there are people out there. But don't think a kite is made safe because there is a "safety" release.

So forgetting that I like to ride unhooked, why would I permanently shackle myself on to a kite again? So I don't lose it or it doesn't lose me? Will your hooked in riding style be cramped because you have one extra way of bailing your kite? Will you lose the kite when you do dead-mans? I don't see the reasoning behind a full shackle.
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