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 Post subject: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:52 am 
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From my point of view I think that a choice for an online education system for instructors is perfect, but why connect it directly to the membership of the instructor? I don't get it... Is buying credits and providing IKO lessons not enough to renew your membership every two year?

I also think that the IKO should first work on the basic things for running a business, like better support for instructors, being pro-active on forums and even their own online forum, create a better satisfaction/feedback survey for students (after they had a lesson), etc.

How the CEP's works (from the IKO website)
The Continuing Education program is based on a Points system, and requires every Instructor to earn a certain number of Continuing Education Points (CEPs) by the time his or her Pro membership expires (every 2 years). Points can be earned a number of ways, such as through taking online courses and purchasing Online Feedback Credits.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:34 am 
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like you said they should first work on there support for instructors! they are an absolute shambles. forget about bringing in new concepts. there are far more important issues to deal with first.
i know in the UK no one wants to support the IKO, and most new instructors are going to the BKSA for there ITC courses.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:38 am 
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From my point of view I think that a choice for an online education system for instructors is perfect, but why connect it directly to the membership of the instructor? I don't get it... Is buying credits and providing IKO lessons not enough to renew your membership every two year?

I also think that the IKO should first work on the basic things for running a business, like better support for instructors, being pro-active on forums and even their own online forum, create a better satisfaction/feedback survey for students (after they had a lesson), etc.

How the CEP's works (from the IKO website)
The Continuing Education program is based on a Points system, and requires every Instructor to earn a certain number of Continuing Education Points (CEPs) by the time his or her Pro membership expires (every 2 years). Points can be earned a number of ways, such as through taking online courses and purchasing Online Feedback Credits.


The IKO is a business that have the shape off a pyramid game, when you follow the money.

I will never be a part off that. I don't think im the only one.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:50 pm 
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The IKO is a business that have the shape off a pyramid game, when you follow the money.

I will never be a part off that. I don't think im the only one.


Nope I agree with you 100%


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:29 pm 
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Don't forget the WAIVER you must sign and as an instructor, COERCE OTHER uniformed people to sign. You can read this completely unconscionable waiver here:
(for some reason I can't get the link to work as one line so you'll have to paste the two parts together)
http://www.ikointl.com/docs/pdf
/waiver-form-kiteboarders.pdf

For a detailed discussion of the incredibly hideous terms and conditions contained therein, see the thread : viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2354515&start=10

It should be noted that to date, the IKO has steadfastly refused to explain why this waiver has such disgusting terms and conditions. This is undoubtedly because their REAL reason for including them probably involves using them as negotiating elements with local authorities in an attempt to create situations where kiters MUST join (and sacrifice the essential rights lost by the waiver) the IKO in order to kite.

Do YOU REALLY LIKE assisting an organization with this type of goal ?

Richard M.
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http://www.MalibuKitesurfing.NET
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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:31 pm 
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Continuing education for instructors is a good and necessary thing.
Time will tell if it is going to work for the IKO.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:37 am 
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There is nothing wrong with continuing education and on-line courses, but...

The CEP concept, if You read carefully all the conditions,
actually discriminates those IKO instructors, who work for the schools.
They do not buy independent instructors packs, or feedback credits,
they use ones bought by the school,
are mostly covered by the school insurance policy,
thus the only way for them to make CEPs
is by taking on-line courses.

(Although they may be active teaching and keep on developing their skills daily,
and quality of their work is monitored not only by the IKO through student feedback forms,
but also the management of the school...)

So CEPs are obviously not a tool to implement additional quality control,
as IKO puts it - for this purpose IKO should really improve the feedback forms,
but just a money-making tool, where instructors are held ransom
and forced to buy IKO products ...


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:48 am 
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So CEPs are obviously not a tool to implement additional quality control,
as IKO puts it - for this purpose IKO should really improve the feedback forms,
but just a money-making tool, where instructors are held ransom
and forced to buy IKO products ...


What I totally do not understand is that the IKO is living their own life... creating their own concepts.. and are not really open for innovation together with the input of their instructors. They have an online forum and they ask for new ideas, feedback, etc. But what about the actual processing of these ideas?

They are still number one in developing the most undeveloped concepts :)... It's seems to me that they want to knock of their instructors...

It is not that difficult for the IKO... just be a bit more active on forums (for example kiteforum.com) a pro-active attitude... and willingness to survive.. and develop new concepts together with their instructors...

Also... they only create new money making tools... I the IKO reads this: what did the IKO gave her instructors in the past years? Maybe they have to focus on relationship management!!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:04 am 
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I think that this is total bullshit, and not what I signed up for. Iko and PASA alike are pyramid schemers looking to make more money. High Schools and colleges don't make graduates continue their education and jump through hoops...why should we have too? I'm pissed. :lamer: Maybee we should sue their dumb asses...or just lynch em'!


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 Post subject: Re: What do you guys think of the new CEP concept of the IKO?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:26 am 
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