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Really nice bar...nice grip and features! It is the best bar i have ever used

Resetting the QR looks almost too simple...

Will this be available as an upgrade? If so how much roughly?

Did they add a swivel to the front lines, so they don't twist?

No there is no swivel on the front lines...i am starting to like that cause i am forced to learn tricks on both sides
"LF will release a swivel when they are 100% certain that it will work through time not like some other swivels which work for 1-2 months and then they are done"

It looks like they still have the plastic sleeve in the center hole of the bar? Is that what I see there? No stainless steel center hole? If that's a plastic center sleeve I see there then I wouldn't touch that bar. That sleeve comes off in no time and leaves you with a very rough center hole that will eat your trim rope in no time. I've got an 07 (or maybe 08 not sure) MIG bar that this has happened to and it's also happened to a friend of mine who has the same bar. I'm in the process of sanding smooth the center hole now and it's a PIA to remove and re-insert the trim rope in that plastic housing just to get at it.

I do like the color coding of the bar. There's no color coding at all on the LF bar I got so the color coding is a nice addition for quicker rigging. I like how quick the QR goes back together but I can't see how it can hold 800kg. I'd need to see some more detail there. What's keeping it in place, plastic parts? I'm not sure I like all those plastic parts. I think I prefer OR's quick release, it's a simple metal pin that engages in some webbing and plastic sleeve push release. I can see how it works and all the detail just from two photos. Not the case with this LF bar.

What does the 5line bar look like?

livingston wrote:No there is no swivel on the front lines...i am starting to like that cause i am forced to learn tricks on both sides
"LF will release a swivel when they are 100% certain that it will work through time not like some other swivels which work for 1-2 months and then they are done"

What? There must be tons of swivels out there that have withstood the test of time by now.

I throw loops in 85% of my turns. Its not about doing tricks both ways for me.

I also don't understand. There are pullies on the kite! They would fail just as much as a swivel. So I find it hard to believe that they didn't add a swivel because it could malfunction. I do think they will add one for 2011, so they can say they upgraded again.

Just make nice bars to begin with.

BTW. As much as I love the 08 Havoc. The bar is SHIIIIIIT

The center hole is not plastic...!!! It's some kind of metal...

Don't compare the 07 bar you have with a 2010 bar!

Please refine which swivel loops have been working 100% through time?

The pulleys don't fail as a swivel since the pulleys work differently than the swivel!

I through loops as well but now i am starting to loop from the other way so that's even better

The 5th line bar is the same just the fifth line is attached within the 2 front lines!

I will post some pictures tomorrow of the bar

All the best...

Had some 10 free minutes so took some photos for the ones who want to see more details...