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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:24 pm 
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you could have drowned as well, and then the guys would be going to jail for refusing to help.
So what they did is not funny, it is a serious matter.

And you can drown very quickly...I lost power after a 1 minute swim in colder water, and my last chance was to get back into the kite laying on the front tube...lucky there was a rescue boat around...


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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:34 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:16 pm 
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Well done Fred in being able to get yourself back in unassisted, and you even managed it with the handcap of deciding to rescue the kite too.

In winter, very cold water can take away your ability to rescue yourself very quickly. Its a whole different ballgame then, but not so bad if you have a big board you could paddle in on.

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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:53 pm 
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Fred,

Did you sense that because you were on a ram air kite rather than an inflatable, that this fact played a role in the 2 kiter's refusal to help you?

For instance:

(1) Did prejudice between "pumpers" and "twin-skins" play a role?
(2) Fear of the filamentous bridle lines, by the potential rescuers?
(3) Worry by the rescuers, of tearing up your kite and the liability for damage, while trying to tow it in.

Those of us who know you through your participation on this forum, know that you are a stand-up, non-confrontational, forgiving kind of guy, but did your potential rescuers know these things about you? It would be interesting to know what they were thinking at the time. If you get to talk to them, let us know what they have to say about the incident.


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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:03 pm 
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when i go kiting i don't expect to see the ER-lawyer with the liability form to sign at the beach. until now it is understandable for me that each kiter is morally obliged to look after any other person in the water in the vicinity.

golden rule is good to everyone to keep, but there are the exceptions unfortunately. these exceptions are called accidents. and no person alive is safe from them, experienced or not. accidents don't depend on sports we go for, gear we ride, style we ride or our personal characters.

i may have written some pretty unpleasant posts on forum here and there about somebody's riding style and gear. but it is neither personal and nor serious, that's just hobby, remember? but as the former seaman for 15 years myself i'll never let a person without help in the water 'cause i know what nature can do to a person in distress in a very short time.

so lets be alert and attentive to the fellow kiters and other persons on the water wherever you kite!


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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:52 pm 
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FredBGG wrote:
The other day I had a front line fail.

With out going into too much detail.....
Wind was slightly off shore...
Pretty strong current...

I really needed a tow to the beach.
I had the kite safely on the 5th line folded in half (flysurfer Foil)
I had the broken line safely wrapped around the bar.

I waved down two kiters.... both expert judging by their riding.
Both refused to help.
One even yelled if you can't relaunch it's your problem.

Anyway after a difficult ordeal in the surf and current I got back to the beach.
I had to rest a bit but my board was still out there.
At that point another kitesurfer had just arrived... he threw on his wetsuit and asked me to
spot for my surfboard while he swam out through the surf and current to get it.

So two very different types of kitesurfers.
The type you ask for help and they refuse and the ones you don't even ask for help and they go way oput of their way to help.

Big thanks to Rich of www.malibukitesurfing.com for retrieving my board!

To the other two kiters...... If your in distress don't worry I will help you out regardless..... because I'm just that kind of kiter.


Fred, I`m going to reserve judgement on this one till hearing the other side, given that and your propensity for drama and BS.

From what you have written I see you were out in strong current etc.

At least they were good enough to come close enough to find out if you needed immediate help.

How can you compare someone towing you and your kite to the beach with their kite in difficult conditions to someone swimming in to get your board???

I would not put myself in danger to save anyones gear. If you can`t relaunch and maintain you want to hold onto your gear in difficult conditions I too would tell you wise up and swim for it. I have twice gone to assist folk in the water in imminant danger to find they are only concerned about their gear. One was a windsurfer on the reef in Cayman more concerned about his windsurfer when he was in serious trouble and the other a local in serious trouble looking to go into the rocks and more concerned about his board. Both cases I left to their own devices but kept an eye on should professional help need to be called.

To say you would help regardless is BS or you have psychological problems which I am sure you do given your postings.

Yes there are two types of kiter , stupid and intelligent. You are (without going into to much detail as you put it, the former)


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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:57 pm 
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Toby wrote:
Anyway, life will strike back on them, and life will be good for those who care.


What a crock, and all that Karma rubbish.

With that theology Sir Fred Goodwin must be having trouble sleeping along with all his buddies.


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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:01 pm 
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Toby wrote:
you could have drowned as well, and then the guys would be going to jail for refusing to help.
So what they did is not funny, it is a serious matter.


You managed to work this out from Freds story????

Are you on drugs?


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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of KITES
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:53 pm 
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FredBGG wrote:
The other day I had a front line fail.
Wind was slightly off shore...
I really needed a tow to the beach.
I had the kite safely on the 5th line folded in half (flysurfer Foil)
I waved down two kiters.... both expert judging by their riding.
Both refused to help.
One even yelled if you can't relaunch it's your problem.
Anyway after a difficult ordeal in the surf and current I got back to the beach.
I had to rest a bit but my board was still out there.


The problem here isn't with the other kiters, it's with Fred's choice of kite. If Fred had an inflatable, he would have been able to "self-rescue" by grabbing the tips and "sailing" to shore. The other kiters refusing to help is understandable: Fred made the choice to choose less safe equipment (ram airs - for self rescue) - it's his problem and he shouldn't impose on others to make up for the deficiencies in his equipment. Also, towing a Flysurfer to shore is like towing a sleeping bag full of water - horrible.

Ignore the lies. Ignore the exaggerations. Ram airs are inferior compared to inflatables in wind dropouts and gear failures.


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 Post subject: Re: Two very different types of kiters.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:50 pm 
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flyingweasel wrote:
Toby wrote:
you could have drowned as well, and then the guys would be going to jail for refusing to help.
So what they did is not funny, it is a serious matter.


You managed to work this out from Freds story????

Are you on drugs?


anything can happen. Read the whole forum and you will find stories like that. And due to personal experience I know how quick things can go wrong.

tungsten222: you would have done nothing different than me. Don't try to be smarter afterwards.


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