What's the point of a 15m2 foil then?s1buell_wl wrote: @ 100k you will need 13k-14k on a 15m speed 3 to get going and have fun (with 134x42 type board).
The sweet spot for me is as they say 14-18kns.
s1buell_wl wrote: ... But I like to ride powered. My typical day when everyone is launching 8m-10m Kite I’m pulling out at least a 14m.
You mean that the speed 19m2 is comparable to the zephyr 17m2 or big mama 15m2? Then they all have better low-wind capabilities than the S3 15m dlx? Funny, from my research i understood that the low-end of the S3 15m dlx was at least equivalent to the zephyr 17...s1buell_wl wrote: If you really want to get down to 10kns you’ll need a spd 19m, zeph, big mama 17m or so.
Help! What's the point then! What a disappointment. The sweet spot on my 13m2 ozone instinct from 5 years ago is already 15-20 knts, and I can start around 12knts. Then I keep my old kite... Can't a speed3 15 deluxe achieve any better?s1buell_wl wrote: Your sweet spot will be 15-21kns on a 15m foil. You have a 13m now...
Sounds good too.s1buell_wl wrote: I have a buddy he’s a free rider @ 100k Mako 150 and loves the 19m spd 3. He can now get on the water at 12kns powered. It’s a great match for cruising!
Please don't buy a large Ram Air. I've listed the reasons below why you need to avoid them:davince wrote: Just afraid of the trade off. 19m2 is so massive. Would it be worth the gain?
For the full admission, checkout the following link: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2360979&start=40diraklib wrote:"the SA-19 is huge and can whack you silly if you let it get down wind of you in a low wind launch. It is downright scary - be ready with the QR at all times if not up and riding!!! I can't say I agree with claims that you can ride the SA-19 in anything lower than a steady 8 knots. I made a personal choice to not ride the SA-19 any more. It went down twice in lulls and managed to bow-tie on the way down - there was no way to relaunch. I was not as lucky as others that self rescued. My kite was full of water by the time I dragged my very tired and frustrated a$$ to shore. It sounds simple, "wrap the lines around the bar, fold the kite in half, roll it up on your board and paddle in"... noooo... there are lines everywhere under water that wrap around your feet as you are trying to manipulate the kite. You just pray that a gust won't pop the kite up and slice of an appendage. The kite ... is just too scary when it goes down. My attitude now is - if my LEI won't fly, I shouldn't be on the water. Anyone interested in a slightly used SA2-19m??? Cheap???"
For the full admission viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2362065FredBGG wrote:The other day I had a front line fail.
Wind was slightly off shore...
I really needed a tow to the beach.
I had the kite safely on the 5th line folded in half (flysurfer Foil)
I waved down two kiters.... both expert judging by their riding.
Both refused to help.
One even yelled if you can't relaunch it's your problem.
Anyway after a difficult ordeal in the surf and current I got back to the beach.
I had to rest a bit but my board was still out there.
NO kite - ram air or inflatable - will perform in under ~8 knots and NO KITE WILL PERFORM UNDER 5 KNOTS. The physics is complex, but primarily involves the power that wind moving at 7 knots (13km/h) can deliver. There is simply not enough power or velocity at this wind speed for ANY kite to perform.gmb13 wrote: Please let me know which Kite you use that will allow me to get out in less than 5 knots. My Speed 3 19 DL gives up under 5 knots, so if you could please let me know about a flying tyre that will outdo my Speed3 please let me know - Gunnar Biniasch
There are better inflatable kite options for light winds, eg http://forum.bestkiteboarding.com/viewtopic.php?t=6999Peter_Frank wrote:It depends a lot on your weight, how low you can go.Night_Thrasher wrote:What is the lowest wind condition I can go kitesurfing and what is the best kite brand and size for it?
If you are "average" around 80kg, the lowest you can go will be around 5m/s (10knots) with the right kite and board.
If you are REALLY experienced, you will be able to push the lower limit down to about 8-9 knots, but this is the absolute lowest wind possible to kitesurf in (holding ground/going upwind) with average weight IMO.
We are talking about 14-17m2 typical SLE kites and raceboards here
And talking about EXACTLY how "low you can go" is just pure bullshit - as you can not measure the windspeed at the kite, which is the only true value for this.
Sometimes you have a huge windgradient, sometimes a small one, and air temperature and height also influences.
But around 10knots is the limit for most kitesurfers, and just a small tad lower for the "extreme" ones
When you talk about windspeed - where is it measured then ?
At headheight, maybe around 2 meter above the water ?
Or at 10 meter height, which is our (Denmark) meterological standard height for wind measurements ?
There is a difference of typical 2 knots, so VERY important.
My point is - always take those claiming "this and that" as their minimum wind speed with a grain of salt
But the answer to your question would IMO be around or just below 10 knots measured at 2 meters height (in normal "summer" temperatures), and it is not dependant on brand, as many brands has excellent kites for this - and more and more has raceboards now too.
Flysurfers won't fit in there - it's full of leaking bladders and unstuck valvesPump me up wrote:Flysurfer sweetspot...
Flysurfers actually have a wide range of sweet spots.Kamikuza wrote:Flysurfers won't fit in there - it's full of leaking bladders and unstuck valvesPump me up wrote:Flysurfer sweetspot...
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