Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .

[kite4surf]

you show a controllable situation...in winds you are used to.
If you really get lofted high in a not normal situation I wonder who would loop it...I would keep it above me and fly it until I get out of the updraft...with some steering to the side like Eric Eck did back then.

But, for sure an alternative. Not sure if it is the best...

Thanks Toby for your comment ,
both Erik and Malik had a constant movement at the beginning of the lift

and at landing and I think that was a good moment for landing with

kiteloop, if you control it.
I consider that waiting to land, like they do is dangerous and it is

worth to "consider the kiteloop as a safety problem" and to "control your

flight with the kiteloops". It's a better sollution.
OF course, my proposal is to start learning the kiteloop ( not to jump with ... ) immediately

after the beginner stage, in safety conditions ( on wather , in 11 - 14

knts ...).
Toby ,thank you for your comment for "Dangerous kiteboarding ..." , of

course that was another situation. Vlad

[kite4surf]

Thank you all for the comments and for sharing your experience . I will be back with answers, I am going to the mountains...

I will link this page to my movie , it is wery useful. Vlad

[kite4surf]

Those are late loops not megaloops!

what are late kiteloops ?

http://www.iksurfmag.com/issue20/?page=113 ???

[Billy B.]

Those are late loops not megaloops!

what are late kiteloops ?

http://www.iksurfmag.com/issue20/?page=113 ???

A late loop is out of a float or glide period on water or snow. Using the kite like a helicopter rotor to slow decent or catch the rider with proper timing. Some time called a helo loop. One of the richmand kids linked like 7 to stay in the air at a big air contest not super high but "flying" down wind.

A mega loop is a loop on the way up pulling the rider up behind the kite using the kite like a propeller. It is a pulling motion foward.

Once you start gliding or floating side hill or down hill the terrain and wind pattern change the loops pull and characteristics, just like you can fly down the hill into less wind and through several loops to control your rate of fall.

In the beggining of this video the slingy kid throws a small float or glide with a late s-loop (the kite changes direction from frount to back loop).

There maybe video of me throwing 4 late loop out the apex of flight from that same day. I just saw the video posted at the top of this forum, funny huh?

http://www.kiteforum.tv/video/Billy__s_ ... time_.html

[kite4surf]

Those are late loops not megaloops!

what are late kiteloops ?

http://www.iksurfmag.com/issue20/?page=113 ???

A late loop is out of a float or glide period on water or snow. Using the kite like a helicopter rotor to slow decent or catch the rider with proper timing. Some time called a helo loop. One of the richmand kids linked like 7 to stay in the air at a big air contest not super high but "flying" down wind.

A mega loop is a loop on the way up pulling the rider up behind the kite using the kite like a propeller. It is a pulling motion foward.

http://www.kiteforum.tv/video/Billy__s_ ... time_.html

This question was for Wayne. I was waiting for his answer because he has

problems with the credibility. I saw your movie. Great glinding. But it

doesen't express any message, and it's got nothing to do with my movie.

I'm talking about how to control your flight with kiteloops... And I encourage people to learn to

kiteloop, to avoid strong ascendent curents, to carefully choose the place where to kite ......

better see the movie.

[kite4surf]

In you video the wind is light! Kite that hill again in 30 mph on a 13 meter and do a loop! Those are late loops not megaloops!

You loose your credibility with statements like "In you video the wind is

light! Kite that hill again in 30 mph on a 13 meter and do a loop!" did

you even bother to convert the 25 knots in mph?? it's 29 mph )) I gave

these details about the conditions at "1.40" minute : "25 knts, 12mp, 70kg, low

ascendent curent.. " .
Maybe it's not the right thing to do, taking part to a conversation, if

you don't pay attention to the details of the subject.

[kite4surf]

Should you use kiteloops if you are falling to the ground , Yes. Should you loop in a updraft to "get out of it" hell NO

How can you tell? Why are you so shure? It depends on the situation.

I have only stated that it is possible to control your flight with

kiteloops. Only the experience gained can help you decide whether it's

the right time to do it, depending on the situation ( intensity of the

curent, the possible obstacles, terrain configuration.......)....ex..... I wouldn't

recommend the kiteloops in strong gusty wind ............

If you will follow the advices I gave at the end of the movie, you have a big chance to avoid

the accidents.

[Billy B.]

Should you use kiteloops if you are falling to the ground , Yes. Should you loop in a updraft to "get out of it" hell NO

How can you tell? Why are you so shure? It depends on the situation.

I have only stated that it is possible to control your flight with

kiteloops. Only the experience gained can help you decide whether it's

the right time to do it, depending on the situation ( intensity of the

curent, the possible obstacles, terrain configuration.......)....ex..... I wouldn't

recommend the kiteloops in strong gusty wind ............

If you will follow the advices I gave at the end of the movie, you have a big chance to avoid

the accidents.

Becuase I have been caught in updrafts, and have gotten out using the technigue many of us have discribed, I have friends who have been in the same situation and used the same technigue.

I can climb up hill using kiteloops while airborn, using updrafts and rising air. I have done this. I can hover with the kite and substain flight in the same place. This again is all from my experiance, I have been flying with the kite for 5 years and my comments come based from my experiance. Not from just guessing, I am just trying to share info not question ability. But experance should be questioned. In matters of saftey. thats cool.

I have used kiteloops to climb this is the exactly the opposite of what you are claiming. Just becuase some one posted a video of me gliding off a hill doesn't mean thats the only trick I know. It is just some gliding while at a contest to stoke up the vibe of some of the people learning to glide of the little begginer hill.

I agree knowing how to loop your kite in all types of conditions and scenarios is very important, and super fun to learn, but using kite loops while being lofted, or caught in a updraft may not be the best advise to give.

Wayne is a sound flyer with a paragliding pilots back ground his knowledge of high mountain winds and flying with a kite and a paraglider in these winds is amazing.

Neather he or I are trying to argue with you about what you are doing only the possible dangers of using kite loops at the wrong time and getting in more trouble becuase of it.

I didn't know you posing a question for wayne but just have a discussion on a forum sorry.

[waynepjh]

Maybe in a few years you will understand. Come out to Wyoming I have the perfect spot for you to show me your "advanced technic"

[nixiano]

i'm not a snow kiter.

out of interest, could you not just direct the kite so it's pointing the way you want to go, then simply just glide out of the up draft, then once you on the way back down (as you've left the updraft) do what ever to slow you decent?