Hello Mr.Will Barton,
Once again as I mentioned before, it is very very hard to make every body happy. All I know is that we are doing an amazing job with the EPIC kites because of the demand. The reason I know that is because we are sold out of kites every time and my wife won't let me take new ones for my personal use. So I have to keep using the final prototypes that I have been using for 9 months now.
Again, if you are not interested in EPIC kites, don't click on this subject, why are you following us so close!!! It makes you wonder.
The reason we are getting few people bashing myself and EPIC is probably because we are doing such a great job and few people hate seeing a company do well because they are stuck with another kite company that won't treat them as well as EPIC does and won't have as great customer service as EPIC does, and in few words doesn't have as good as a product that EPIC has. It is as simple as this. Any one that reads your threats bashing EPIC KITES gets the idea. You don't know how many people follow this threads and some of them I meet on the beach or send me messages telling me not to worry about few of these people on the "Kiteforum", because 95% loves what EPIC KITES has become.

P.S. My father once told me before he passed away that: "Running a successful company is a great thing but, it also comes with having jealous individual wishing they could do the same...". I guess he was right.

Hello Mr. Dimitri M

Did you ever consider that the reason you have so few people bashing Epic (seriously this is what you see?) is because if you argue with ignorance that you often succum to the lowest common denominator...
With regards to your late fathers words... Is it you that is suggesting Mr. Will Barten is a jealous man or your father? Either way I would really like to know how that conclusion came about... Based on what you have written, it suggests anyone who is not pleased with your product must be jealous....
I've also tried your kites, not bad, but not great, certainly not as great as you and your Epic pack of chronies make them out to be.
Thankfully for you most people who know their ass from their face don't bother to read or post on these threads, hell even I just do it to warn the newbs who don't know any better and may be fooled by Epics tactics. I mean seriously, have you seen the used resale value of your kites? It's laughable. I'll post some examples if you like...lol

Cheers
Pete

Hello Mr. Laughingman,
Nice to see you back. I was wondering when you were going to show up again!!!! Did you have a great time on the Outer Banks, I hope it was epic?
By the way guys, this is the perfect example of the type of individuals I mentioned on my previous post.
Now Pete, concerning the resale value of the kites. People can sell the kites as low as they want, it is their loss. I know few people are trying to buy the new (3G) EPIC kites and are selling their 2010 or 2011 kites at an amazing price so they can get some money to invest in the new (3G) kites. What is wrong with that!!!! If you send me your email I will share with you all the emails I am getting from these customers so you get a better idea of what's going on. Some of them are new customers wanting to buy some EPIC kites and others are returning customers wanting to upgrade their EPIC quiver. One of them is actually a share holder of another kite company who tried the RENEGADE kite and loved so much that he just ordered one. (sorry but I can't share that email with you)
By the way how is my old EPIC Canadian Rep doing these days!!!! Also did you get your wife some 2011 Cabrinha kites that you were looking for?

P.S. Once again I can't make every body happy. But if you are interested I am selling my IPHONE 3S for $50 because the new IPHONE 5 is coming out. Are you interested? It is a good deal and you know how good the IPHONES are.

One of two things has happened here.

1. You are lying.
2. The person who owns the North gear is so stupid that he cannot see what is patently obvious to anyone who knows even a tiny amount about materials, design or kites in general.

I have flown the Epic 3G range. I can confirm that the kites are reasonably well designed, the Screamer is the best in the line up and compares to a lot of other mid range kites that I have flown in terms of handling, feedback through the bar, speed of turning and hang time.

The quality however is questionable. The bar is cheap looking and plasticy, the one I used had a hairline fracture through the red release (apparently done whilst shipping, no protection Dimitri?). The kite has the usual protection on the leading edge but nothing to write home about. The canopy material seemed a bit baggy after 6 months of reasonably high use. The trailing edge though! Where is the dacron that every quality company has in this area? Folded over ripstop is not good enough to be on this area of the kite.

The questionable quality is why the resale value is low on Epic kites. Maybe the 4G will concentrate on quality and not tacky advertising and amateurish videos spamming this site.

Of course the resale is not as good as other brands: Epic only exists since 3 years! You need a start for everything.

So come on... to all of you grow up... let Dimitri do his work. What's the point of all your posts here anyway.

You know what? I'm one of those who follow this thread from the begining. I get new info and that's it. When I've got something to ask to Dimitri I just have to send him a mail.

I never wanted to take part to your useless debate but sorry I wanted to write somthing (I'm french don't look at all my mistakes).

BTW and yes even here in France people want to try Epic kites and yes some people bought an epic kite and yes they are amazed by the product and yes they like to mail Dimitri and get quick answers from him.

YES PEOPLE LIKE EPIC KITES!

BTW2 Epic rider Nicolas Etienne won the 2012 Slider Party

BTW3 I still got a 9m Screamer from 2010. And guess what I've been using this kite like hell. And don't know why I should change it for the moment. About quality well what about that!

Question: why do you keep on posting on this thread anyway?

KevintheHater,
Kind of hard to take you seriously when you have been posting on this forum for two months as Kevin the Hater as your second identity. You have sixteens posts, all of them on Epic threads.
One of two things is true.
You are a coward and won't post as your real self, or you came to this forum to specifically bash the Epic brand.
Either one makes you a douchebag.
Your assessment of the Epic kites is amusing.
The line up as you call it, is a group of kites that are each designed to do something specific, and there is no "best" kite in the line.
If you happen to like the Screamer best, that's great and speaks to your skill set, but those that want a kite for a different purpose would surely find another model better suited to them.
People that like the Judge like it for what it does best. People that want a surf kite fly the Renegade. The new race kites will make a whole other group of folks happy. Those that want a kite that can do a bit of what a Judge does and a Renegade does and still boost better than any North kite ever has, they fly a Screamer 10M LTD.
Yesterday you did not like the colors (hilarious considering the colors/combinations on the North kites for the last three or four years) and graphics, today it is the trailing edge of the Epic kites.
Really dude get a life...find something that you like (other than hateful bashing) and head down that road, you might be a much happier person.

Well Old and Broken, if that is even your name! It's kind of hard to take you seriously when it is obvious that you are affiliated to Epic. Thank you for pointing out that different kites are designed for different styles of riding and using that to pimp the Epic brand! I was pointing out that from the Epic kites I've tried the Screamer is the best in terms of how it stacks up to other similar style kites. The others, Judge, Renegade and Infinity are easily beaten in terms of what they offer by other brands, an example would be that the Judge is not nearly as good as a Torch or a Fuel.

I have nothing against Epic, I do though strongly dislike the misinformation that is put out about these kites. Anyone new into the sport who came to look on this forum for some advice about kites would likely be swayed by the near 80 page thread about Epic kites and make the foolish assumption that they would be buying a top quality kite given the laughable "reviews" about this brand from a handful of Epic affiliates and fan boys. Dimitri claims that he puts up all his emails about the kites good or bad, of course this is not true (I have first hand experience here). So I am happy to question the quality and the "reviews" of these kites for the sake of a bit more of a balanced thread.

Yes the colours are awful (I agree with you about North, I fly RPMs), yes the marketing is tacky beyond belief, yes the quality of the kite and bar are mid range (given the price), yes the resale is low, yes this forum is being continually spammed with misinformation about these kites.

If people could be a little less partisan about this brand maybe so many people wouldn't have an aversion to it.

Below in quotes is your post from March 10th on this very thread, on Page 50.
Kevin says....
"Let's say for example you put Slingshot kite and bar down next to an Epic kite and bar. (I don't own anything made by Slingshot). Would anyone be brave enough to suggest that the quality and construction is better on the Epic? It's a mid range kite and reasonable for the price, anyone claiming top quality build or materials is either misinformed or is affiliated with Epic.
Another point. Who cares who I am? I'm just sick of these ridiculous claims"

So, tonight you say you fly RPM's, ..you've been posting in the last few days comparing Epic to (your?) North kites.
Who are you and where in the world is your honesty?
Decide what brand you claim to fly and stick with it, your story is sounding stranger and stranger.
I own Epic kites because I feel they perform far better than my last three kites of choice did. I was flying another brand and getting them below dealer cost when I first flew an Epic kite early last fall. I sold my 2012 three kite quiver and bought Epic kites because I like them better, plain and simple, and I am paying more for them.
This is an Epic thread, it is exactly where I would naturally say what I think about an Epic kite. Where would you like kiters who have things to say or to ask about Epic gear to post?
These posts are exactly where they belong and these kiters sound far more honest with their opinions than you, even if you hate them for their happiness.
If you don't like Epic talk in an Epic thread, you know how to not click your mouse, correct?

Blehhh.. dont get why every couple of pages the same people have to bitch and moan about everything. Even under extra caracters because they just need to point out that they dont like epic. So what... If you dont like the kites... but you have to make such a big fuss about it with that intensitiy and fury.. holy crap someone needs a real life..

So maybe try to get back on topic?

Wow! You're a real detective Old and Broken. Yes, for a number of years I rode North, my first kite was a Toro. Now I have a quiver of RPM's although I still ride a North board. I ride these kites because the quality and design is comparable to North but now, due to my friend selling the kites I get a better deal on the SS rather than paying near full price on a North. I dare say that if I knew someone who could get me Epic kites at somewhere around dealer prices I'd fly them, but I'd like to think I'd be a little more honest about what I was riding, that is a mid range kite of mid range quality.

As for paying extra to ride an Epic kite, I can't say I actually believe it but for the sake of argument please could you tell me what brand you switched from.