EpicKites (3rd Generation. 3G kites)

Fragger · **Joined:** Mon May 30, 2011 5:42 pm **Posts:** 47

mmm, nice big centerhole in the bar :thumb:

tomtombreizh · **Joined:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:52 pm **Posts:** 68

Dimitri M wrote:

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This is a quick picture of what's coming soon.
Let me know if you need anything else???

Hello Dimitri,

What's new on the 3GII Screamers?

KevinTheKiter · **Joined:** Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:13 pm **Posts:** 41

Dimitri M wrote:

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I'm certain that the big companies who have much more experience than Epic with a much larger R&D department and budget and who use dacron would not agree with your findings but if your kites stretch that much then maybe you could use a better grade of rip stop.

Hello Mr.KevinTheKiter
I am sorry to disappoint you but I use to ride for few of these big companies and I knew what was going on behind the scenes, and this is probably one of the reasons why I decided to start a kite company on my own. So you know we are using the same high quality grade then 75% of the companies out there. The other 25% uses a lower grade. But as you can see no companies will tell you that their kites have tendency to stretch after a period of time. All kites do stretch after a period of time, and its a fact. Maybe yours doesn't stretch because you are seating behind your computer too much instead of kiting. So take your kite off your wall and go kiting. You will see that after a period of 4 to 6 months of good use, your kite will feel different then a new one.

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I was looking at the bar on the beach the other day. The rust stains that come from the cheap screws that hold the bar together look quite bad after 6 months. Will you be using marine grade parts on your new bar system as rust always worries me from a quality point of view.

The screws we use on our bars are "Marine" grade parts. But we are making so many bars that some times the factory has some bad ones mixed in the pile of screws. At least that is what the factory told me. I did see few other different brands with the same thing, but rest assure I am on it.
This is a quick picture of what's coming soon.
Let me know if you need anything else???

So basically what you are saying is you cannot control the quality of the bars being made. Very reassuring. Actually I'm struggling to think of a decent bar that has cheap visible screws that rust holding it together.

windsuks · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:36 pm

That Quick Release is looking sweet.
We have had some crazy winds here in the UK today and getting some rave reviews from some of the guys who have been out using their smallest Renegades and Screamers!

SupaEZ · **Joined:** Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:47 pm **Posts:** 1647

KevinTheKiter wrote:

Dimitri M wrote:

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I'm certain that the big companies who have much more experience than Epic with a much larger R&D department and budget and who use dacron would not agree with your findings but if your kites stretch that much then maybe you could use a better grade of rip stop.

Hello Mr.KevinTheKiter
I am sorry to disappoint you but I use to ride for few of these big companies and I knew what was going on behind the scenes, and this is probably one of the reasons why I decided to start a kite company on my own. So you know we are using the same high quality grade then 75% of the companies out there. The other 25% uses a lower grade. But as you can see no companies will tell you that their kites have tendency to stretch after a period of time. All kites do stretch after a period of time, and its a fact. Maybe yours doesn't stretch because you are seating behind your computer too much instead of kiting. So take your kite off your wall and go kiting. You will see that after a period of 4 to 6 months of good use, your kite will feel different then a new one.

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I was looking at the bar on the beach the other day. The rust stains that come from the cheap screws that hold the bar together look quite bad after 6 months. Will you be using marine grade parts on your new bar system as rust always worries me from a quality point of view.

The screws we use on our bars are "Marine" grade parts. But we are making so many bars that some times the factory has some bad ones mixed in the pile of screws. At least that is what the factory told me. I did see few other different brands with the same thing, but rest assure I am on it.
This is a quick picture of what's coming soon.
Let me know if you need anything else???

So basically what you are saying is you cannot control the quality of the bars being made. Very reassuring. Actually I'm struggling to think of a decent bar that has cheap visible screws that rust holding it together.

You gotta check a 2012 Core Sensor bar...it as Zero Screws...or Rivets

Probably the lightest weight and highest quality out there
Size 52/45cm wide.
I just weighed it on a scale.Complete with lines,floats,depower system,chickenloop loop etc etc
Only 1.65 lbs = 0.75kg

Just as a comparison with a "benchmark bar" we compare most bars to: North trust bar 55/46cm
I just weighed it the same way complete and it is 2.5 lbs =1.13kg (2011 bar with bar end rivets)

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BigPaul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:54 am **Posts:** 97

Looks very nice.

Dimitri M · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:31 am

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So basically what you are saying is you cannot control the quality of the bars being made. Very reassuring. Actually I'm struggling to think of a decent bar that has cheap visible screws that rust holding it together.

What I am saying Mr.KevinTheKiter is that some times this happens. It is part of the mass production and it is very very hard to control this because they all look the same until they get used and abused, and after 6 months a small percentage of these screws might get this rusted color. I have not had any of mine turn this color. But I know one of the schools had one 13 months ago that I saw and I reported this to the factory. They told me that they are doing the best they can to control this. But some times their suppliers drop by mistake different type of stainless still screws in the batch.
Also for your information, our EPIC "XTEND" bars are also glued and then they screw it together. We do both of these for security reasons. We could just glue it and leave it that way. If you want that, I can do this for your personal bar. Now this is what I call "CUSTOMER SERVICE".
Anything else I can help you with?

Dimitri M · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:37 am

Hello Mr.olivierdorsner,
The new "3G II" EPIC kites will be out by the end of July. The RENEGADE 13 v2 and the INFINITY v2 have been out for a while now and these are part of the (3G II) kites.

tomtombreizh · **Joined:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:52 pm **Posts:** 68

Dimitri M wrote:

Hello Mr.olivierdorsner,
The new "3G II" EPIC kites will be out by the end of July. The RENEGADE 13 v2 and the INFINITY v2 have been out for a while now and these are part of the (3G II) kites.

About the 3G II Screamer what is new about them? I think you've said that the 3G models were really good and that it was difficult to make them better (which I don't doubt!

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Dimitri M · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:59 pm

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About the 3G II Screamer what is new about them? I think you've said that the 3G models were really good and that it was difficult to make them better (which I don't doubt!

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Hello Mr.olivierdorsner,,
The (3G) kites are such a big success that we decided not to change them until we are able to make something better then what we have now. So the only changes we did on the new (3G II) were the font of the "EPIC" logo, plus we did add a new valve material, plus we also added the new "Epic Metal Pulley Sliders". So if you already own an EPIC 3G kite I would not recommend to get the new ones since they are basically the same. But some how by having that new "EPIC" font on the kites, makes them look even sharper then what he have now for the "3G" models.

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