beginner death in france, detailed by the teacher.

[chemosavi]

Fred, You seem to be awfully willing to post the blame/pass judgment on someone in particular in not just this circumstance but in general without really putting yourself in their place.

Perhaps a little bit of compassion is not such a bad thing.

[FredBGG]

Fred, You seem to be awfully willing to post the blame on someone in particular in not just this circumstance but in general without really putting yourself in their place.

Perhaps a little bit of compassion is not such a bad thing.

My compassion is for the victim.
Compassion for the instructor.... hell only two days have gone past and he is teaching again.
His posts shows no remorse or even hint at questioning the methods he uses.

I have a lot of respect for teachers that teach one on one and that will reschedule and cancel lessons if conditions are not safe.

I have a cousin who is a paraplegic due to an avoidable sports accident. Sorry if I don't take these things lightly.

[DrLightWind]

Fread, thank you for bringing deeper awareness and details to this thread.

This thread is an example of kitesurfing is an extreme sport.
Blaming is not going to solve the problem since it happened in the past,
and doesn’t matter how to tweak it to look good and how to make it safer technologically
Every one of us will have the time coming sometimes, but why not use deeper awareness
to prevent all this and extend our life

I f somebody has a little common sense and ignoring these recent fatalities
than they would see none of the Inflatable Kites or Foil Type Kites are ever safer.
As being claimed on threads by Foil haters and either biased or puppets of Brands.
So some riders with their limited experience and awareness are arguing
5th Lines Kites are providing better safety HERE or Bow Kites or SLE Hybrid Types,
but they’re all full of sh!t, because accidents happening to all types of kites
as everyone of you can see the in the following threads and videos.

There was a long thread over 2 years ago just about this reoccurring problem HERE,
but nobody implements the knowledge and learning from it.
It’s the same story with safety life west, helmets and boots for protection,
while some ignorant users bashing riders who are using them here on KF
because they think it’s smart without them while they don’t have any clue,
why they’re wearing them and for what reason
So the carnage goes on and on and when sh!t hits the fan,
the know it alls are back as it appears to be in the last 11 years of history here.

DrLW

[kiteforumtv]http://www.kiteforum.tv/video/Looping_Kite.html[/kiteforumtv]

[chemosavi]

Well said Doctor, kind of what I was thinking of posting but Fred got the better of me by accusing the man to be a psychopath.

i think Fred is a pretty basic guy with very little irony in his soul. Go for it Fred. LA needs you.

[mr_daruman]

It seems to be standard practice in France...I first learned in 2003 South of France, we were five out at sea for one instructor with boat. No radio helmets. But light winds and very small sizes, I think max of 8m kites; I was using a 6m learning to body drag.

I've had death loop kite experienced twice...
If nothing seems to work to gain control (safety, pulling lines, unhook etc...)

1~Kill the kite/release everything.
2~Remove harness, even with load I can unstrap either the right or left side very quickly. I think people should train this. It saved me once. No time to get knife and cut lines.
3~Cut lines.

[FredBGG]

Well said Doctor, kind of what I was thinking of posting but Fred got the better of me by accusing the man to be a psychopath.

i think Fred is a pretty basic guy with very little irony in his soul. Go for it Fred. LA needs you.

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[Kamikuza]

Condolences to family and friends ... RIP Rene.

I don't want to join in the condemnations at all but I do wonder ...
Would a "regular" hook knife had helped? Looks like the RRD bar has that PU tubing on the depower line like Cab gear
Did Rene have a PFD? Would that have helped at all?

I am an x navy seal...

I find that very hard to believe ... SEALs don't go around name-dropping and they aren't thickies.

[RickI]

My sincere condolences to the man's family and friends on this tragic loss. Stopping an out of control looping kite even with multiple boats, other helpers, etc. has proven to be VERY hard to do in some past accidents. They have been discussed on here. Avoiding the looping in the first place and EARLY correct reaction by the kiter, ditching the kite seem to have been some of the more effective solutions in those cases.

Question, how common are out of control "death looping" incidents with current kite BOW and high depower kites? The first time I saw this was ten years ago with a four line LEI kite. He was being yarded about 20 ft. horizontally through the air with each looping cycle at high speed. The guy got things under control about 25 ft. before being dragged into the beach, pilings and cars.

[Galeltic]

voodoospirit tries share his bad luck and bad expernice with us as he won't like seeing same bad accident happen , again further ,so our life is unpredictable and not easy !
he hope they learn his bad error and i bet that his fate hit himself to learn heavy lesson
his nick name shoulld change to be new one !
voodoospirit seem bring bad luck

did he forget teaching students how to use Q.R?
if yes , rene would do Q.R. to let death loop kite go

[Mr_Weetabix]

I have a problem with his whole teaching standards that obviously put profits before student safety.

You don't know what he charges. Many students will choose a cheap course with a big class over more expensive one-on-one tuition... and if they only have the one-on-one option, will opt for the even cheaper self-teaching option. An instructor can only charge what his market is willing to pay. I have yet to meet a rich kitesurfing instructor.

If he's teaching again, it's because it's his job. Lots of us go to work when we don't want to.

It's not constructive to attack the instructor as an individual. If he f***ed up (and yes, I think he did), the question is "what level of regulation of our sport would have prevented this accident, and are we willing to accept that level of regulation?".