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Dimitri M
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:39 pm |
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Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:00 am Posts: 3223 Location: OUTER BANKS (NC) USA. Owner of EPICKITES
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Quote: Relaxxxxxxx grantham54.....there is no"tool" attack here....just playing and trying to understand Dimitri...He likes to trow numbers around....namely windspeed numbers....but when asked about his INF'size his response is"no size"....(No numerical printed on kite)... He enjoys saying: Pulls like an 18 Turns like a 12... Little mind game he likes to play?....BUT NOW WAIT! What if tomorrow "all" kite manufacturers did the same for their largest lightwind kites?? ...NO more printed size on wingtips!!...and when customers would ask them their answers would be: Pulls like this and Turns like that....WOW it could be mayhem in the kite world not knowing exactly what we bought...Oh Yeah man just bought a Speed3..Got no freakin idea what size it is but was told Pulls like a 26 Turns like a 16!  Once again Mr. " SupaEZ", I never said " Pulls like an 18 Turns like a 12" I said: "PULLS like a 19 meter and pulls like a 14". Other kiters that tested the INFINITY said on the videos that it turned like their 12 meter kite. Also there is a good reason why I am not putting a number on the light wind INFINITY kite. This is the only kite that has no numbers. If you are looking for a very light wind kite (6 to 11 knots) then the INFINITY is your kite. But if you are looking to kite in 10 to 18 then you can get the S 14 / R 13 and so on.... These kites have numbers because they are made for stronger winds. P.S. So you know the INFINITY is a 13.9 meter kite. So now would you mind demo the kite and give us your opinion on the kite instead of throwing words like that!!!
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jamie501
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:00 pm |
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Kamikuza wrote: Agreed! I'm betting they didn't check line-lengths when they complained about back-stall too  I never post on this forum, but ive been reading it for a couple of years. But after reading this post I have to comment. This is not a pimping post and I say things how they are so its not a bullsh** post either I'll start by saying that the infinity is one of the most stable, backstall resistant kites in 'low' winds ive ever used ( I havent tried every kite so im not saying its the most stable kite EVER in low winds but out of the kites ive used it definatley is) for example: A couple of weeks ago me and a few mates went down to our local spot, when we got there it was only blowing 5-7knts, I was the only one who pumped up my kite, my mates kites stayed in the bag (14's). I flew the infinity on the beach (better than sitting waiting to see if the wind would pick up) and it was solid in the air. I trimmed it in about two inch's and then messed about practicing handle passes and messed about U/H looping it and it didnt backstall once, even just leaving it sat above my head it was fine. I then tried it on the water on a few different boards: the epic oxygen, airush choptop, takoon lux, nobile skim. I was able to ride on the infinity with all the boards, I couldent ride upwind, on some of my tacks I was just about keeping my ground but most of the time I was going downwind which was fine as I was supprised to be able to even ride in that wind . before anyone says "why would you want to ride in that wind" well as I said above its better than just sitting on the beach waiting I even managed a few backloop kiteloops albeit only about 5 inches of the water haha. I could go on and give a full review on the infinity but im not going to as really wanted to just reply to the bit about the backstalling, but its tuned out to be a bit long-winded........oh well. jamie
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DrLightWind
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:07 am |
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Joined: Mon Aug 12, 2002 1:00 am Posts: 1593 Location: Miami @ 6" Flat Butter!
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Pump me up wrote: Any company that claims kites can perform in 5.0 - 7.0 knots is FULL OF SH!TE. And I'm not just talking about Flysurfer, the most persistent bs claimer http://www.flysurfer.com/en/produkte/kites/speed3/, but about other credible companies like North and Epic. And Epic's Dimitri Maramenides CLAIMS about the "Infinity" performing in 5 knots www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2367439&start=290. Bullshit! Ignore the lies and exaggerations. Any kiteboarding company claiming kites can perform in 5.0 - 7.0 knots is FULL OF SH!TE. @Dimitri, as you see from PMU's first page who started this thread, I have an idea. Why don't you offer and send him one of your INF kite and let's wait and see, what is his opinion of the testing result, if he changed his mind from the above quotes Appears to be you send it to a lot of riders anyway, so you got nothing to loose, right? I think everybody would be curious about his findings, if he agrees. DrLW
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Dimitri M
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:49 am |
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Thank you DrLightWind. Yes this is what I have been doing. But also they are responsible for shipping the kite back and only a few hands of customers don't want to do that and it can be very expensive to ship a kite over seas. And since we have lost a good amount of kites last year because of using the US POST and also because of dishonest people, this year we decided to use only FED EX because we do have insurance with them in case. But it is a little more expensive. Right now I have a waiting list of 9 people. So as soon as I get my (3) INFINITY demo kites I will send them to these customers. Once again thank you for you input. 
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Kamikuza
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:55 am |
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Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:49 am Posts: 2784 Location: Japan
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Dimitri M wrote: So you know the INFINITY is a 13.9 meter kite.  No way, you've let the cat outa the bag now!  ... grantman54 wrote: typically I try to maintain some professionalism on here, but.... grantman54 wrote: I apologize if anyone besides Supa and Kami finds my posts offensive. It is only meant to offend them (haha) and I do appreciate everyone else's posts, discussions, and healthy debates on Kiteforum, but someone had to call these guys' shenanigans out. You'll have to try harder than that to offend ... but that wouldn't be being "professional", would it?  "Calling shenanigans out"? Don't you mean "post some sycophantic idol-worshiping verbal-diarrhea, childish name-calling and pointless ad hominem point-scoring"? I don't see any constructive criticism or points relevant to the discussion in your post - but perhaps, just for a short time, you could lower yourself from your exalted position on your pedestal there, actually READ the posts, then bestow upon us mere mortals the discoveries of you superior experience and the wisdom of your vast intellect ...? Or you could continue the great tradition of picking on "junior" members to make yourself feel like the BMOC 
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KAWIKA
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:41 am |
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Just got back from Morocco what a lovely place and very very very windy. You have to understand that the CHAMELEON kites are very powerful kites. the 13 CHAMELEON has the power of a 17 meter C kite. The 10 CHAMELEON has the power of a 14 meter C kite. The 7 CHAMELEON has the power of a 12 meter C kite. But the only way to get the power is to move the kite. People did not beleive me when I went out on the 7 CHAMELEON in 14 mph winds. I guess now some one else did that while other riders where on 16. But you have to remember that I was using the light wind board, and I am sure that the other person used a surf board or a skim board or any other light wind board. And this BS has been going on for years I actually used to believe it and pimp it for Eclipse the chameleon was the absolute worst nightmare kite to ever be sold I can't count how many times this kite almost killed me but D kept telling me he tested it and it was the future of kite design  let's see a video in 5 knts with out the oxygen board 
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Geronimo79
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:22 pm |
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dude.. really?  I've seen your post in switch topics.. your still the same old pimp as you used to be i guess. Your nothing more then a switch rep with a eclipse grudge  towards Dimitri.. it's getting old dude... Now you really dont have to like Dimitri or Epic kites. I'm pretty sceptical towards some claims from brands too. And sure as hell didnt believe Dimitri about the first Infinity. Until i tried it  . The kite would drasticly improve my summers.  And now the V2 seems to be even better. When i test it i will find out. And like he keeps telling over and over again.. don't believe me, test it yourself.
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SupaEZ
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:35 pm |
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Dimitri thank you for your "professional enthusiastic" responses....I can tell that your hard work created a fun,snappy turning,powerful for it's "size" light wind kite..(and soon the V2).The reality is that 100% of kiters "hate" being "skunked" when they show up "at the beach with nice waves" and the wind is only 8-10knots (avg 9.0),9-11mph(avg 10mph) and there is NO way they can use their 12/13 or 14...SO YES REJOICE your INFINITY for light wind kiters SAVES the DAY!....NOTICE TO ALL i did say light wind and "not ultra light" wind....Now for those addicts (me) who MUST be out at "all cost" starting in 6-8 knots(avg 7.0),7-9mph(8.0mph) there is a specialized (foil/ram air) kite out there (Speed3 21) can you can park, ride and have loads of fun and power in "ultra LW"....Sure there are other tube kites out there larger in size with higher aspect ratios BUT they surely can't be "sined" as fast up and down to generate power and whipped around the sky like INF. in turns!. So as we can see we should not be "hung up" on the the "word ultimate" in describing a "light" wind kite because it can have a multiple of meanings!...I BELIEVE that the world is a better place with someone like you in it Dimitri....."Let's all go fly a kite".. Michel from Cocoa Beach.Florida  MR. SupaEZ
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Dimitri M
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Post subject: Re: Bullshit Low Wind Ranges Claimed by Kite Companies Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:40 am |
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Quote: Poster: KAWIKASWITCH kites rep.Just got back from Morocco what a lovely place and very very very windy. You have to understand that the CHAMELEON kites are very powerful kites. the 13 CHAMELEON has the power of a 17 meter C kite. The 10 CHAMELEON has the power of a 14 meter C kite. The 7 CHAMELEON has the power of a 12 meter C kite. But the only way to get the power is to move the kite. People did not beleive me when I went out on the 7 CHAMELEON in 14 mph winds. I guess now some one else did that while other riders where on 16. But you have to remember that I was using the light wind board, and I am sure that the other person used a surf board or a skim board or any other light wind board. And this BS has been going on for years I actually used to believe it and pimp it for Eclipse the chameleon was the absolute worst nightmare kite to ever be sold I can't count how many times this kite almost killed me but D kept telling me he tested it and it was the future of kite design  let's see a video in 5 knts with out the oxygen board  Hello Mr." KAWIKA" or should I say David Alberston. I am so sorry you feel that way about EPIC and myself, but your post above doesn't make sense at all. The truth is, when people see how good a company does, they get very annoyed and jealous and this is probably the reason why you just post something like that. I have seen this so many times and lots of people told me the same thing. So this is one of the reasons why EPIC kites just came up with this new KiteBoarding IPHONE app game. So if you are having trouble with your new kite company that you are repping or ridding for, you might consider these 2 options: 1) Get a hold of an EPIC kite and take it for a spin and see why people are so impressed with the kite and the company instead of bashing EPIC and my name. or 2) Stay home and download the new Kiteboarding IPHONE app game. ( You have 2 version, one FREE and the other one you have to pay.) P.S. You might want to choose option 2 because we all know the result once you get your hands on an EPIC kite. And I am sure even if you try an EPIC kite, you will still deny how good the kite is. But at least you can enjoy the new KiteBoarding IPHONE game with out any one seeing you playing on EPIC kites.
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