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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:04 am 
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I dunno,

The big bold Flysurfer News at the head of the article made it pretty clear to me that it came from Flysurfer and not from Toby.

Of all the things to get bent outta shape about...


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:18 am 
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yes definatley lots of technology going on in the kite its self. I like the ability to adjust the bridles through a mixer test. but the bar is a very bad design in my opinion.

ever tried to replace pullies on a speed 3? you have to remove all the B and C bridles.... very time consuming. they should change the knot arrangements so you can easily replace parts on the pully system.

who would want a kite with 1000 parts? people that want to have rediculous amounts of glide in silly light winds


Hi Plummet.

You do not have to remove all the c and b bridles to replace the pulleys.

After you pull out the yellow mixer line out of the pulley, you just open the larks head on the grey mixer adjustment line and slip it over the pulley. Then it's off.

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hmmm.... not on my speed 3. When i replaced the pulleys there was no other way apart from complete dissassembly of the bridles or cut off the bridles which had the pulley's attached.


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:57 pm 
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plummet wrote:
gmb13 wrote:
plummet wrote:
yes definatley lots of technology going on in the kite its self. I like the ability to adjust the bridles through a mixer test. but the bar is a very bad design in my opinion.

ever tried to replace pullies on a speed 3? you have to remove all the B and C bridles.... very time consuming. they should change the knot arrangements so you can easily replace parts on the pully system.

who would want a kite with 1000 parts? people that want to have rediculous amounts of glide in silly light winds


Hi Plummet.

You do not have to remove all the c and b bridles to replace the pulleys.

After you pull out the yellow mixer line out of the pulley, you just open the larks head on the grey mixer adjustment line and slip it over the pulley. Then it's off.

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Gunnar


hmmm.... not on my speed 3. When i replaced the pulleys there was no other way apart from complete dissassembly of the bridles or cut off the bridles which had the pulley's attached.


Hi Plummet,

I made this Video for you and everyone else having problems when replacing their Pulley on Speed 3 Kites.



If you could not do this with your kite, then it's very strange and I would ask if you could send me a pic of your mixer to confirm that there is something amiss with your mixer setup.

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Gunnar


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:37 pm 
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Gunner - I was wondering that myself.......didn't think the setup was any different to my old psycho's


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:25 pm 
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I'm gonna go with "Who gives a shit" for $500 please Alex. :roll:

If you don't care... don't post :naughty:


I don't care for the "plagiarism!!!" school girl argument. I wanted to read a thread about the Flysurfers, not adults bickering back and forth for not crediting an article.

Thanks!


Long live the enternal suck of the internet!


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:03 pm 
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Toby or Armin,
could you give a summary of this very long text?
Why should I read it?
tx


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:06 pm 
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KiteschoolHolland wrote:
Toby or Armin,
could you give a summary of this very long text?
Why should I read it?
tx


Ok, here's the summary:
1) You'll need a postgraduate degree in tapestry.
2) Flysurfer ram air kites need regular "tuning" because of bridle stretch and distortion.
3) Tuning requires hours and hours of time and, even after all these hours of tuning, is unlikely to be correct.
4) After many hours and continual tuning of the "mixer", you'll realise that Flysurfer ram airs are, actually, inferior to inflatables.
5) Unless you're an importer or distributor, after a while you'll buy inflatables and be much happier.


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Pump me up wrote:
KiteschoolHolland wrote:
Toby or Armin,
could you give a summary of this very long text?
Why should I read it?
tx


Ok, here's the summary:
1) You'll need a postgraduate degree in tapestry.
:lol: yyou're showing your personal lack of intelligence
2) Flysurfer ram air kites need regular "tuning" because of bridle stretch and distortion.
if by 'regular', you mean once a year, that may be correct.
3) Tuning requires hours and hours of time and, even after all these hours of tuning, is unlikely to be correct.
15 minutes is not hours and hours...your statement is just WRONG.[/b
]4) After many hours and continual tuning of the "mixer", you'll realise that Flysurfer ram airs are, actually, inferior to inflatables. :argue: :argue:
5) Unless you're an importer or distributor, after a while you'll buy inflatables and be much happier.
[b]check out ebay. it has hundreds of LEI kites for sale for dirt cheap EVERY DAY. search for flysurfers and they are very rare for sale. and they always bring top dollar. i said Flysurfer but it's the same for all foils, people just don't get rid of them and when they do, it's normally a fast sell.


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:10 pm 
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Actually PMU my LEI bar needs more tuning than my Flysurfers do...and it takes longer too cos that damned knot is bloody hard to get undone. Flysurfer system is much better and the Liros lines have less stretch (or actually, shrink) so even including a few hours for a thorough mixer tune (in front of the telly) it still takes longer to keep my LEI tuned :(


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 Post subject: Re: Flysurfer: Kite lines - a science of its own
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:18 pm 
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So how about a summary?


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