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AlexandreBorges
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:42 am |
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eldadgold wrote: Single or multiple concave alone don't define how a baord will behave. From my experience Xenon's boards are better in almost every aspect. It's a cliche, i know, but if you are concidering buying a new board then you should try out the Xenons. I'm using a Cabrinha Caliber and had a Brunotti Onyx. I'm just afraid everytime I listen cheers on small co boards. What about Crazyfly boards? Magazines are always saying they have boards on top 3 ranking...
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yaniv
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:02 am |
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I had the F.One Acid a few years ago a thought it was the best board ever. (preferred it over the CrazyFly ones), and then came Xenon... Since then (2010) i have the La-Luz 132 and I love it. I think that it is super soft, with the best landings, even on megaloops I handled the speed and impact of the landing better than any board i tried. There was a topic here about the Monk Vs. the La-luz a few months back: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2371446I think that if you want a stiffer and more radical board you can check out the Infra as well, but if smooth is what you are looking for than the La-Luz is a great choice.
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JMF
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:18 am |
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eldadgold wrote: Single or multiple concave alone don't define how a baord will behave. From my experience Xenon's boards are better in almost every aspect. It's a cliche, i know, but if you are concidering buying a new board then you should try out the Xenons. No one said single or double concave was the ONLY attribute that gives a board softer landings. But single/double concave IS is one of the single most important attributes to look at in a board when it comes to softening landings, a design feature pioneered in Wakeboarding many moons ago 
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eldadgold
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:50 pm |
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In the past few years material technology has improoved quite a bit, also manufacturing technology improoved. Take the Trax for example, its wood core is CNCd top and bottom! What was true 4-3 years ago isn't necessarly true today. Back to the subject : if i had to choose a 2012 TT board then it would be either the Trax or the Laluz... and I have demoed quite few 2012s
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JMF
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:57 pm |
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eldadgold wrote: In the past few years material technology has improoved quite a bit, also manufacturing technology improoved. Take the Trax for example, its wood core is CNCd top and bottom! What was true 4-3 years ago isn't necessarly true today. I'll disagree again. The tech has been there nothing has changed much. What has changed is Kiteboarding and Wakeboarding. I've ridden Kiteboards made from Surf blanks with moulded fins to todays Wakeboard inspired designs. I've ridden directional Skurfers the roots of Wakeboarding to todays top end wakeboard TT's. The tech has been there to build these boards it's the ideas and road the actual two sports have taken that ends up dictating what boards look like and what they are made from. With regards to shape. Majority of the boards nowadays are press moulded pop-outs/one-shot boards. By that I mean all layers are pressed one time. This is where they get most of their shape (channels,rocker,concave) not from a CNC machine. CNC'ing (3 axis) is only response for cutting the outline of the core on a two dimensional plain so to speak with some cosmetic stuff on the top. No manufacturer I know of at this stage uses a 5 axis machine to shape boards, it's a waste of time and money. IMO you could actually make a better board if they did make use of a 5 axis machine. The pop-out process tends to trap a lot of unwanted weight in the form of resin whereas you could shave off more weight with a fully shaped CNC core. Vacuum bagging the board with the layup and breather materials does a better job of keeping the weight down. But this process takes time and is labor intensive. I have a feeling Slingshot and Airush might be using this method on their top end boards. Think I mentioned that I have a 2011 Trax 6 hands down one of the best boards I've ridden so far. Getting a 2012 Trax 7 soon I'm a heavier rider and will welcome a little bit more stiffness in the board. We'll see.
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:58 pm |
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I am 99percent sure that the new trax is CNCd top and buttom and that even the carbon X shape has a CNC insertion
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JMF
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:17 pm |
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eldadgold wrote: I am 99percent sure that the new trax is CNCd top and buttom and that even the carbon X shape has a CNC insertion Don't think you understand me when it comes to the CNC'ing. You're right the top is CNC'd as for the "soild" carbon fiber X. I think the carbon fiber X is just CNC'd core material with "glamour" layer of carbon fiber over it not a solid carbon fiber insert. Have not seen the Trax 7 in the flesh but as with most boards it is most certainly a pop-out. There is no need to CNC the whole board when you are pressing, you waste material and it is a costly exercise. There is also no harm in not CNC'ing the whole board. Topic is drifting.
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:44 pm |
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Because the Topic is drifting this would be my final post regarding our discussion - When you see the new Trax you'll understand... I hope Fone will elaborate one day on the new techniques for building the Trax.
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Michelks
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:24 pm |
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I have a 135 x40,5 select board, it´s a verry good board for jumpin and freestyle in chop waters, . I´m 86 kg and need at least 15 knots to have fun using a rebel 12, with my old board (poison 134), 12 knots was more than enought. The board 's worth for chop, but for flat it´s waist of money.
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Post subject: Re: F-One Trax vs North Select vs Wainman Joke for soft land Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:06 pm |
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AlexandreBorges wrote: eldadgold wrote: Single or multiple concave alone don't define how a baord will behave. From my experience Xenon's boards are better in almost every aspect. It's a cliche, i know, but if you are concidering buying a new board then you should try out the Xenons. I'm using a Cabrinha Caliber and had a Brunotti Onyx. I'm just afraid everytime I listen cheers on small co boards. What about Crazyfly boards? Magazines are always saying they have boards on top 3 ranking... Thats beacuse thay are the best. if you are looking for soft landing tray the Raptor Pro Ltd, if your looking for more speedy board try the Rator Pro. By the way yaniv/eldad, you are invited to Try your xenon against the CrazyFly head2head and give us your review.
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