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marlboroughman
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:48 pm |
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loco4viento wrote: Bringing a radio beacon while having made no backup plans makes a very clear statement that the "adventurer" is not so willing to solely accept the consequences of his actions and is planning to hold others responsible for his safety. If I am going to do the crossing I am going to research what people like Jan did before me listen to what can be improved on and do my own assessments. Reading some kiteforum smart asses checklists and statements like this is clearly a waist of time. You never done anything, nada. Where is experience on your resume?
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marlboroughman
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:52 pm |
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SalmonSlayer wrote: This is exactly the point. At least the wind surfer was willing to accept responsibility for his desire to go solo.
Hahahaha. You got I will never call SAR for you Samurai. I expect you to commit harakiri. You see what I am talking about. Total numbnuts.
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SalmonSlayer
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:56 pm |
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marlboroughman wrote: SalmonSlayer wrote: This is exactly the point. At least the wind surfer was willing to accept responsibility for his desire to go solo.
Hahahaha. You got I will never call SAR for you Samurai. I expect you to commit harakiri. You see what I am talking about. Total numbnuts. The method and logic you employ to make your argument reminds me of how many women I have dated and dumped have tried to argue a point. It is like talking to a wall. No ears, all mouth.
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Kevin123
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:01 pm |
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Is anyone else calling bullshit on the shark attacks??
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:05 pm |
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Kevin123 wrote: Is anyone else calling bullshit on the shark attacks?? +1 
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marlboroughman
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:10 pm |
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I am out of here. It's dump.
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SalmonSlayer
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:13 pm |
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Kevin123 wrote: Is anyone else calling bullshit on the shark attacks?? i dont see any reason to think it is a lie. maybe a stretched truth I have read that Sharks are colorblind, but, he was just speculating that they were attracted to the color of his kite. Not a lie, just a guess. i think it is more possible that the sharks were attracted to the smell of human urine would be my guess. The size and quantity of sharks could be exaggerated a bit, but, if I was in the same situation they might look like a 100 sharks at 30 feet each. If it was 1 at 10 feet long, it would still be a harrowing experience. I have read elsewhere that sharks are repelled by the smell of shark blood. If he success fully injured one of the sharks, this might partially explain why they went away or were not more aggressive.
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edt
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:41 pm |
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SalmonSlayer wrote: I have read that Sharks are colorblind, but, he was . 1) Sharks have excellent eyesight 2) Sharks can see in color 3) Sharks will hit a lure that is shiny brightly colored and swimming erratically 4) This is how you catch sharks, with a bright shiny, nicely colored lure or with bait 5) Sharks will not hit a gray dull lure 6) Sharks will be attracted to a bright kite and will hit the kite, just to get a taste Conclusion: Believe Jan. And if you fish for sharks, try the Tiger Shark Hot Glow  ps You know what is especially attractive to a shark? A body encased in what seems like black blubber, with what looks like a brightly colored and highly contrasting mid section aka kiteboarder with board shorts. Just saying.
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:24 pm |
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edt wrote: SalmonSlayer wrote: I have read that Sharks are colorblind, but, he was . 1) Sharks have excellent eyesight 2) Sharks can see in color 3) Sharks will hit a lure that is shiny brightly colored and swimming erratically 4) This is how you catch sharks, with a bright shiny, nicely colored lure or with bait 5) Sharks will not hit a gray dull lure 6) Sharks will be attracted to a bright kite and will hit the kite, just to get a taste Conclusion: Believe Jan. And if you fish for sharks, try the Tiger Shark Hot Glow  ps You know what is especially attractive to a shark? A body encased in what seems like black blubber, with what looks like a brightly colored and highly contrasting mid section aka kiteboarder with board shorts. Just saying. Like i said. I read that sharks are color blind. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... s-science/I claim no expertise or first hand experience in this area. I believe the sharks attacked at night. How relevant would color be at night? wouldn't smell be the primary sense used at night? Also, how do you know that the sharks aren't attracted to the shinny characteristic and not the color? I am not questioning you knowledge. I would not argue any of the points I made on the shark issue. they were speculation. I am curious on your take. Once, in the middle of the night, a shark got caught on our net. it was extremely powerful and did quite a bit of damage to the net because it could not escape as it rolled up in the net. We pulled the net into the boat up to the part where the shark was caught. It appeared to be dead but they dont have eyelids so in my mind it looked alive as ever and was playing dead (I have watched too many movies). Its mouth had a line caught in it and the shark was too big for three of us to pull in the boat. It was a Salmon shark and had a body shaped like a barrel. While the two other guys held my by my ankles, I had to hang over the side of the boat and remove the line from the sharks mouth. That eyeball looked like it was staring at me just waiting for me to get close enough for it to make a snack out of my arm. I was 99% sure it was dead, but, the 1% chance it was alive was a big 1% in my mind. I gave it a couple of good punches in the face to see if it would react before sticking my hand near its mouth. No reaction, so, I removed the line. When the guys pulled me back up on the boat they expressed disappointment that i could not secure the shark in some way so we could butcher it. WTF!!! I let out a string of word commonly used on fishing boats to tell them what I thought about that. They quickly shut up and we went back to work.
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Post subject: Re: Polish Kiter missing on Red Sea Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:42 pm |
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Sonny Gruber is the man to talk with about shark vision he studied them decades and ran this two door test on his lemon sharks, here's what he says: "This is how I got started in Shark research. The navy asked my professor whether sharks can see in color. They observed that in some air-sea crashes, pilots wearing the bright orange suits were attacked by sharks while those in the green suits were spared. This seemed to suggest that sharks had color vision. They even called the yellow survival suits "yum yum yellow". So this launched me on a 15 year study of the shark visual system. My conclusion was that sharks had respectably good vision from the standpoint of brightness discrimination and temporal discrimination (flicker fusion capability) the lemon shark had poor but existing color vision. The retinas of all sharks that I looked at had receptors associated with color vision, that is cone receptors." You know for decades people thought that dogs were color blind they aren't! Dogs can see in color but can't discriminate between red and orange. Cats can see in color too! people see this  cats & dogs see this  But no matter what, those sick crazy designs, with highly contrasting sections . . . sharks love that. They are gonna check you out if you are bobbing in the water with your laser pattern boardies and lightning bolt kite. Sonny gruber said, even if sharks like "yum yum yellow" better, it's more important to be seen by your rescuers than to worry about shark attacks. Just read nathan hart's article. Here's what he did, he measured how much light was absorbed by cones of sharks and concluded that sharks were cone mono-chromats. That is sharks do indeed have cones which is what we use to see color but that these cones didn't work to perceive color. Gruber had his sharks pick out doors that were different colors, so I trust Gruber's research better. Hart's research is fun, and should stir some debate, but Gruber is the go to guy on sharks. mythbusters also concluded sharks might prefer yum yum yellow http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... r-red.html
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