to get back in the rotation so everyone can get their shot at the peak instead of short gybing or using a wave to get back upwind while getting in the way of the rotation....

to get back in the rotation so everyone can get their shot at the peak instead of short gybing or using a wave to get back upwind while getting in the way of the rotation...

So does this mean that waveriders who insist that everyone do their "rotation" effectively result in EVERYONE having to go out as far as the longest tack required by any of the others ? If this is the case, I think it is ridiculous.

There is no reason to be in a rotation at all so long as what someone is doing does not prevent a transoceanic traveler from taking waves. In fact, I do not see any reason why these people should be given a preference regarding taking a wave since it is their CHOICE to use equipment which necessitates that they waste their time on long tacks.

Richard M.
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Its because the sb riders like to ride down the line Richard. In a cross on breaze they may peel 2-300 meters downwind. To get that back they have to tack way the hell out to sea and back again. Or do multiple shorter tacks which is a pain on a surfboard.

Now today afterwork i'll find myself at a premier wave spot 20-30 knot cross shore. point break 3 meter set wave face.... oooh yeah. and it cleans up very nicely. I will think of Nico and i'll ride my TT deep in the pocket, drag my hand in the wave face..... I'll then blatantly avoid the pocket and ride upwind on the wave face and boost of the wave lip on the wave back out......

RichardM

i was not trying to tell you how to ride, just giving one possible reason people ride the way they do. and it had nothing to do with gear, i can go upwind on a directional easily as well as a tt. just like to ride down the line longer and, if crowded, stay out of the way going back up the elevator to do it again.

P F A TT on an awesome wavespot with a good lineup - riding and disturbing the "waveriders" by doing other stuff than riding near the good surf zone - is out of line IMO, true and I agree with you there.

As these spots are rare, and spots for doing "other things" than riding at the curl/crest/shoulder are very common

N Seems we are saying the same thing here P Frank ! (but this is IMO the worst bullshit I've ever heard !)

PF But there is in my eyes absolutely no reason to diss anyone who rides waves well on TT's and take their turn in the lineup - and I have seen a few TT guys who rips much better than most on surfboards, in the waves :

N Hey if you can milk a wave better than me on a tt go for it and take your turn in the lineup, no probs with that.

Not many around -

None around here

Nico

Hey, I wish you a good session Plummet.
Honestly

Nico

Multiple shorter tacks is NOT a pain on a surfboard - but for me much more fun than on a TT, as you can either jibe or tack or do an aerial transition/tack and get the good feel doing that

If you ride a half kilometer or more downwind, most will typically take really long tacks when they go back upwind, no matter what type of board they ride

It is a very "natural" thing to do (or natural lazyness ?)

Some take huge long tacks, others take more reasonable ones - personal preference and also how skilled you are to some extent when talking about directionals (as beginners take longer tacks because they can not jibe nor tack)


I personally take short tacks often - as then you dont get as far away from shore, and IF a huge set rolls in, you can ride it (if noone comes from upwind), and you can also see your mates riding waves downwind - it is awesome to see a good friend whipping a top turn and see the spray from the outside - especially if the sun is from the right direction where it turns into a sparkling beatiful view

Short tacks are great on surfboards IMO, and I dont see any difference in the "length" of the tacks, apart from directional newbees who has'nt learned to jibe/tack well yet, and that is also fine of course

Peter

Well i went to my crazy location and it indeed was crazy. tripple overhead sets swell coming from 2 different directions lumpy holey cross shore wind and you could never pick were the waves were going to break. Then i was tacking back out thinking something is wrong as i was looking at straight at the wave face.... hmmm. wind had switch to off cross off. so i gapped it out of there.


No i want to argue the point that TT's can't be surfed because there isn't enough volume. Theres been plenty of times i've been surfing the wave on the TT down the line and the kite has slack lines. The other day I did a session that was had patchy wind inside the break. I'd be sinking then looping just to power my self onto the wave. As soon as i was riding the wave the aparent wind speed riding the wave kept the kite in the air....

Check this bloke out. he doesn't even need a kite. or a surfboard

NP is that New Port Plummet ?.
The wedge at the pier there has always been fascinating to me, and the boys playing in it must be mad.
Something like the Waimea shorebreak.
N