OzBungy wrote:SupaEZ wrote:...
1-Leaving lines ON makes "ALL" my 200+ self- launches per year 100% certain
2-I have total comfort and confidence even if i totally rush to get out (i skip ZERO of MY steps)
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None of that has anything to do with leaving your lines on. It has everything to do with having a reliable system and following it and checking stuff.
I take my lines off, you leave your lines on. I self-launch/land almost exclusively and I think I have had to abort maybe twice in 1000 launches. I get out on the water faster than anybody else I kite with and I daresay at least as fast as you.
I did try the Fo method (my kite mates uses that one. attach the front lines and wind out/walk back/attach rears). It works ok. I still ended up just dropping the lines, wind out and walk back attach all lines left to right. I still get set up faster than my kite mate.
I think leaving the bar attached introduces at least as much complexity as it removes. I did it a bit when I rode foils, I do not do it at all with LEI.
Very true
I occasionally leave the lines attached, but only if I go from one spot to another with the same kite on the same day and keep the struts inflated.
If you do it systematically, it does not matter what method you use IMO.
Agree fully - the complexity leaving lines on or not, are about the same.
Well - I find it is just a tad safer to attach the lines every time, but maybe just me
You have to walk the same number of times between bar and kite no matter what, if selflaunching.
You also have to inspect/free your pulleys every time, so you dont really save time there either.
Only small gain is you dont have to "unwind" your lines and put them on the pigtails - but this is IMO such a fast thing to do, so it outweighs the lost flexibility when rigging and especially de-rigging with lines on.
Example:
With lines attached -
1. Pump the kite up.
2. Walk the bar/lines out (this is first walk kite-bar).
3. Put the bar on the dog stake.
4. Walk back to the kite and check pulleys/lines (the second walk).
5. Put the kite on the side.
6. Walk back to the bar and start (the third walk).
Without lines attached -
1. Pump the kite up.
2. Walk the bar/lines out (this is first walk kite-bar).
3. Put the bar on the dog stake.
4. Walk to the kite while unwinding the lines, and attach to kite pigtails and check pulleys (the second walk).
5. Put the kite on the side.
6. Walk back to the bar and start (the third walk).
So almost the same "hazzle", just the pigtail attaching as difference.
When rigging down though - it is FAR easier when you take the lines off IMO.
As you have much more freedom to lift your kite, and walk it to "any place" where you want to take the air out and let it deflate slowly while you wind your bar up.
This is way more hazzle if you want to keep the lines attached
So ups and downs - but I have chosen, like you OzBungy, to take my lines off, because of the added freedom and 100% sure they are not twisted.
Peter