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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:15 pm 
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There are several other North models that do not have one-pump, besides Dyno.


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Down with one pump!

My four kites don't have one pump:
Two North Dynos and Two 2011 Best Kahoonas V3

The V4 Kahoona for 2012 has an option to buy the kite as one pump (called the Kahoona V4 Plus) or standard inflation.


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:42 pm 
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RalfsB wrote:
There are several other North models that do not have one-pump, besides Dyno.


which?


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:27 pm 
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Toby wrote:
RalfsB wrote:
There are several other North models that do not have one-pump, besides Dyno.


which?


2010 and earlier Evo's.


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:58 pm 
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Finally,some besides me that doesn't care for one-pump
on a kite with 3 struts it just seems unnecessary
and losing the nipples,clips,hoses would shave some weight,

I follow the KISS rule
keep it simple, stupid :jump:

I do realize some like them,so companies should offer both
and let us decide


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:52 pm 
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Thanks for the input everyone. I really like Best's approach of offering both. I respect that a lot of people really like one-pump, but I don't and at least a few other people don't, so I figured it would be useful to have a list of kites without it.

A couple people asked why I wouldn't want one pump: I think it is a fine system for people who kite in moderate wind, moderate climates, and replace their kites fairly often, but in strong wind, hot environments, and with older kites, it is a nightmare. Each of my kites has 8 valves on the leading edge, and when one of them delaminates, I have to deal with getting the leading edge bladder removed and put back in. I've re-glued the valves onto my 4 kites something like 15 times. I've had to swim in a couple of times because the entire kite deflated after one hose broke and all hose-clamps popped off during a crash (one of those times was when the kite was brand new), I've missed sessions because I didn't realize I had a leaking valve until I got to the beach and pumped up my kite. I've spent way too many hours fixing the kites and I can't trust them to fly after a crash- the rare catastrophic failure with the hoses means I cannot rely on being able to relaunch my kite if it crashes hard. I like saving 45-60 seconds during set-up as much as anyone, but once you've missed one session to one-pump, it doesn't seem worth it any more.


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:11 pm 
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Almost everyone prefer one-pump these days, and this is why most brands only offer this option :thumb:

Simply "supply and demand" as always 8)

Although, this means that for those who wants it different - it is really difficult :cool2:

I have the same issue with small kites - it is REALLY difficult to find small wavekites that can be depowered sufficiently, and dont pull while turned :roll:

These days, EVERY single kite from most brands I've tried, got the same problem - WAY too much power for a 4 or 5m2 when turned - as this is the last thing you want when riding waves in these wind speeds :x

But as most freestylers want a kite with more power and lift in the small sizes, this is what every brand produces today :wink:

:D Peter


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:10 pm 
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sfpete wrote:
Toby wrote:
RalfsB wrote:
There are several other North models that do not have one-pump, besides Dyno.


which?


2010 and earlier Evo's.


You are right, in 2012 they do have "lazy pump", sorry for misinformation.


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:40 pm 
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Unfortunately 2011 North Neo was the last non-light wind without one pump


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 Post subject: Re: Any kites that don't use one-pump?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:12 am 
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One pump systems are for sure more reliable than they have been if they have been developed tested sold for a few years. I recently got a north kite with no one pump though and it is no big deal at all for me, a minute longer to pump up, eliminates more things that could go wrong... you should hear me when a leading edge to strut pipe pops off or something like that f%^^6 j4#@% !

Getting a redundant 5 line c kite today with 5th running all the way from bar, a trip back in time - will see how it goes.


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