i think the new tech on the 2013 north bar is awesome , i didnt like my 2012 north bar .... however i do believe the $450 price tag for the 2012 was way too high as it was a fairly basic bar with a very basic trim system ... the price increase i can understand , but the price from what it jumped FROM i don't understandDefrag wrote:I'm actually fine with North bar price increase from 2012 to 2013, as the new bar seems to have a ton of improvements, including better lines (I wonder if they fixed the depower wear, if not - well, no comment).
However the thing is they were increasing the price every year, even were no changes were made at all (like 2011->2012, only color changed, and still went up by ~40euro), so the current price is already sky high. This is almost 50% higher then Ozone Bar.
That is such unbelievable bullshit.knotwindy wrote:wait, economies of scale? really?
so if i can put my bar together for about $200
1 bar is a pretty small scale
and kite companies are making way more than 1 at a time for $550+
I also agree that it's a drag kite gear costs so much.... But it seems to me on this thread and a few others of late there's been a fair amount of criticism of this brand in particular and it seems a bit agenda driven. Not sure where all that is coming from, when there are a few other premium brands with products at a similar price point. The innovations and changes that Billy mentioned above require new design and parts and testing. Are there any other 2013 bars with as many changes this season? (I'm asking, I don't know.)Billy B. wrote:
The new North bar is adjustable for width on the fly, has a new depower cleat, rope, and stopper ball, lines are new, outside line trim adjustments are new, new floats, bar ends, and grip. Roto head construction, hole materail and conection points for the roto head. How is this just a new color for the new year and not new innovation?
seems like North has delevered what people expect with a price increase, a new product with new features.... and now the 300 dollar switch bar is a copy of the old north bar...........
Bummer that kite gear cost so much..... I agree.
Now this is a relevant question. Looking at the bar that costs 275, I think the bar I use is well worth the difference in costs. For me it is all the small things. The grip. The carbon bar, the overall feel in the grip. Refinements in CL, in depower and finally the leash.Kamikuza wrote:$275 vs $450... what do we get for the extra $175? Assuming production costs are similar...
Let's use our friends at Switch as an example.tautologies wrote:The funny part is that every time I see someone explain that if only one company made a bar that everyone used...then they come up with their desired requirements...and they are different from everybody elses..and we're back to square one.
I like that the bar I use.... There are a lot of small things I would almost go so far as to say I would not want to be without.....
....only reason why prices aren't falling now though is that it would make it unsustainable to produce the bars.
It is an interesting thought., BUT we are so many different people that have slightly different demands and wishes. Design by committee is a recipe for disaster. When you see websites that don't work it is usually because it was designed by many...Oldnbroken wrote:Let's use our friends at Switch as an example.
They are selling a ton of bars......Wanna know why?
BECAUSE THEY COST LESS......A LOT LESS.
Not because they are the best made bar, or the bar that satisfies all the little details that you say "you would not want to be without".
My suggestion about an independent making a kick ass bar for cheap, in a large volume, and at a cheap price....would obviously require that they start with somewhat deep pockets.
Also, that they make something that has most of the bells and whistles that have become what we expect these days.
They could also have a few options like Ocean Rodeo who has three versions of their bar.
After a year or two, when they have sold a ton of bars, the economy of scale would be sustainable and they could keep making bars at a profit, for less than the prices that many of us agree, are too high now.
This follows one of your favorite scenarios of less companies out there producing kite gear!
Only in this case, I'm suggesting that somebody (a company like Shimano for instance) who is already very experienced with mechanical expertise, and has already produced products that require plastic molding, cold forging, CNC milling/machining, casting, and so on... go after this niche of the kiteboarding market, like Shinn does with kiteboards.
Just a thought that will likely never happen,..but it might be cool if it did.