Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

Strutless kite in development on Maui

Forum for kitesurfers
John-B
Frequent Poster
Posts: 202
Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:48 pm
Local Beach: Troon Scotland
Favorite Beaches: Pigs Bay El Medano
Style: Having fun!
Gear: 2017 Airush Union 6/9/12 and 135 Shinn Ronson
Brand Affiliation: Airush/Shinn
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby John-B » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:18 pm

Oldnbroken wrote:...put in production?
Please tell more.
Might get some info here: http://www.boardridingmaui.com/

:wink:

L0KI
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2817
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:17 am
Gear: .
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby L0KI » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:05 am

John-B wrote:
Oldnbroken wrote:...put in production?
Please tell more.
Might get some info here: http://www.boardridingmaui.com/
I swear I Googled it a month ago, when this thread started, and this did not show up! :oops:

User avatar
boardriding maui
Rare Poster
Posts: 48
Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:09 am
Local Beach: kitebeach, maui
Favorite Beaches: Anywhere were the riders are smiling
Style: Lawn mowing
Gear: boardriding maui
Brand Affiliation: owner, in development of brand launching next year
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby boardriding maui » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:25 am

Its relaxing to spend some time visiting a digital environment where perfection is possible.
I find a natural beauty in the simplicity and mathematical precision of these curves.
Last edited by boardriding maui on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

esg
Medium Poster
Posts: 140
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:05 am
Kiting since: 2008
Weight: 200
Local Beach: Hawaii
Gear: Naish
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 0

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby esg » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:45 am

Cool! There are obviously thousands of variables in kite design. What difference would it make if you made the wingtips straight across and squared-off, compared to that slight angle that you have in the above animation?

User avatar
Gigi;)
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 555
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:23 pm
Location: drtuba.eu, kite-stuff.org, eXtremist.si, kajtar.si
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 12 times
Contact:

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby Gigi;) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:56 pm

Induced drag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices)
esg wrote:Cool! There are obviously thousands of variables in kite design. What difference would it make if you made the wingtips straight across and squared-off, compared to that slight angle that you have in the above animation?

peterheirman
Medium Poster
Posts: 170
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:17 am
Local Beach: 2002
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby peterheirman » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:21 pm

In any case: don't make holes in the wingtips like Naish does.
About the most stupid thing to do in aerodynamics - still they find customers to buy the wrong design.

User avatar
boardriding maui
Rare Poster
Posts: 48
Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:09 am
Local Beach: kitebeach, maui
Favorite Beaches: Anywhere were the riders are smiling
Style: Lawn mowing
Gear: boardriding maui
Brand Affiliation: owner, in development of brand launching next year
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby boardriding maui » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:16 pm

esg - Thanks for your interest. In the spirit of simplest possible solutions, this project did start with squared-off wingtips. With later prototypes I revised the angle toward what you've commented on in the wireframe because, with this design specifically, that area seemed unsupported (even though it had a great deal of bridle tension though it), and seemingly useless. After a bit of tweaking, nothing was lost in removing that area, and it now matches more closely the angle of attack that it flies at. Like everything else for this project, if it isn't helpful, it was eliminated. I added, "with this design specifically" because I think a change in angle of attack or LE sweep would surely get a different result, and that squared off is great for other designs.

Also on this subject, I'm a pretty big fan at this point of wide wingtips for the steering characteristic they can have. And, while there would be other solutions, they do a great job of helping the canopy open during relaunch on this strutless design.

Gigi - Thank for the comment / link.

peterheirman - I've never tried, but my guess would be that we wouldn't feel a difference with or without the holes, because I doubt there's a whole lot of lift going on in that area (no pun intended). Would be easy to test by just patching over them, yeah? If/when there is lift, maybe the holes even do something useful for aerodynamics in certain circumstances to reduce stall? I dunno. Just keeping a positive open mind. I hope I don't offend you by supporting Naish, but I've flown a bunch of their kites over the years that I've found great, and truly feel they've done a great deal for our sport by pretty much putting it on the map.

User avatar
GregK
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 689
Joined: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:22 am
Kiting since: 2000
Local Beach: Comox, BC
CANADA
Style: Average
Gear: Lift V2 Surf & HA wingsets
Ocean Rodeo kites & wings
Brand Affiliation: started Comox Kite Repair
Location: Comox, BC CANADA
Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 136 times

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby GregK » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:04 am

Any news of the development of this strutless kite ? Nothing on the boardriding maui website...

Rumour floating around my beach is that Naish are going to pick up the design and release it as a 2114 kite - fact or fiction ?

If they do, I hope the keep the simplicity of the design, keep it minimal, no loud graphics, no gizmos and hyped-out features, most of all no ridiculous price.

Brock Landers
Rare Poster
Posts: 31
Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:05 am
Style: Sky high
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby Brock Landers » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:12 am

Sweet!!! If they release it in 2114 I'll be 146 yrs old! Niiiiice!
GregK wrote:Any news of the development of this strutless kite ? Nothing on the boardriding maui website...

Rumour floating around my beach is that Naish are going to pick up the design and release it as a 2114 kite - fact or fiction ?

If they do, I hope the keep the simplicity of the design, keep it minimal, no loud graphics, no gizmos and hyped-out features, most of all no ridiculous price.

User avatar
GregK
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 689
Joined: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:22 am
Kiting since: 2000
Local Beach: Comox, BC
CANADA
Style: Average
Gear: Lift V2 Surf & HA wingsets
Ocean Rodeo kites & wings
Brand Affiliation: started Comox Kite Repair
Location: Comox, BC CANADA
Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 136 times

Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui

Postby GregK » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:12 pm

OK, 2114 was a typo ( thanks for pointing it out ), how about a 2014 release ?


Return to “Kitesurfing”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], Brent NKB, ffoil, Google [Bot], peppedurso, purdyd, suisd12, Vivo3d and 377 guests