Re: Strutless kite in development on Maui
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:52 am
Harri - Thanks very much for posting the video and positive comments.
Ripper Tom - Thanks for braving the cold water to share your experiences.
Thank you both sincerely. Much appreciated.
Ronnie - I agree that the kite appears soft in the video however I trust Mr Ripper's experience that it was adequate. I don't have experience with these kites specifically in cold water to add any insight. I would however like to give my two cents on the technique that was demonstrated.
While I enjoy reverse relaunch I don't feel it is the most reliable technique. I rarely use it except for launching off the beach. The video shows the kite repeatedly stalling and rolling onto its trailing edge. If this was done with intention to show how it handles in the worst possible positions, then I think its perfectly done. But if the intent is simply to relaunch the kite I feel stall can be completely avoided by relaunching off the wingtip instead of using such aggressive back line input to reverse it. I imagine some could suspect the wingtip technique requires more wind, but this hasn't been my experience.
Mr Ripper, can you comment if you agree or disagree with this description? While not in cold water, I have otherwise flown and relaunched the 17 quite a lot in threshold conditions so I hope you'll be open to my suggestion. Thanks.
For repositioning from the TE I learned from Mr Ripper's technique. My technique has been to pull and hold tension on both front lines from above the bar. But this sometimes requires some patience for a puff of wind. Mr Ripper's technique using the back lines is something new to me but looks like it probably works in even lighter wind. Well done. Thank you Mr Ripper.
Vacaloca - Thanks for the stoke.
acctx - No plans but I'm sure it would be killer.
UKSurf - I think Mr Ripper's video was a huge step in the right direction for this. There's also a video on the website of a 13 in Seattle. I'll try to supplement these with more in the future. Thanks.
turfAndsurf & tautologies - I'll let others come back with their experiences. For me, the handling is best on all sizes when I'm not lit. Key to this for my riding is the available travel at the bar. I have extremely unusually preferences for super long travel. The more the better. So for my riding its never a matter of being pulled off the wave. Handling goes junk when outside its intended range, but not getting yarded anywhere.
Ripper Tom - Thanks for braving the cold water to share your experiences.
Thank you both sincerely. Much appreciated.
Ronnie - I agree that the kite appears soft in the video however I trust Mr Ripper's experience that it was adequate. I don't have experience with these kites specifically in cold water to add any insight. I would however like to give my two cents on the technique that was demonstrated.
While I enjoy reverse relaunch I don't feel it is the most reliable technique. I rarely use it except for launching off the beach. The video shows the kite repeatedly stalling and rolling onto its trailing edge. If this was done with intention to show how it handles in the worst possible positions, then I think its perfectly done. But if the intent is simply to relaunch the kite I feel stall can be completely avoided by relaunching off the wingtip instead of using such aggressive back line input to reverse it. I imagine some could suspect the wingtip technique requires more wind, but this hasn't been my experience.
Mr Ripper, can you comment if you agree or disagree with this description? While not in cold water, I have otherwise flown and relaunched the 17 quite a lot in threshold conditions so I hope you'll be open to my suggestion. Thanks.
For repositioning from the TE I learned from Mr Ripper's technique. My technique has been to pull and hold tension on both front lines from above the bar. But this sometimes requires some patience for a puff of wind. Mr Ripper's technique using the back lines is something new to me but looks like it probably works in even lighter wind. Well done. Thank you Mr Ripper.
Vacaloca - Thanks for the stoke.
acctx - No plans but I'm sure it would be killer.
UKSurf - I think Mr Ripper's video was a huge step in the right direction for this. There's also a video on the website of a 13 in Seattle. I'll try to supplement these with more in the future. Thanks.
turfAndsurf & tautologies - I'll let others come back with their experiences. For me, the handling is best on all sizes when I'm not lit. Key to this for my riding is the available travel at the bar. I have extremely unusually preferences for super long travel. The more the better. So for my riding its never a matter of being pulled off the wave. Handling goes junk when outside its intended range, but not getting yarded anywhere.