Also from what I have noticed - a shape of kite also matters. Its not all about line adjustments. Altho bridals change a lot - an angle of attack (if I do not mess the terms up). C shapes tend to have a fat leading enge and its kinda straight |, while bow kites have C or D-shaped leading edge . What I imagine is that having straight and fat leading edge makes the wind push the kite deep into wind window easier than if you have a D shaped leading edge. Same story with fences - in windy days a lace fence will stay while a thick wooden one will fly away like a sail.
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The only difference between a c kite and a bow/hybrid is how the kite reacts the moment you unhook. C kite design is based around the old two line kite model that is designed to fly without the need for sheeting, so when you unhook they continue to fly forward at the same speed. Inversely, bow/hybrid kites require constant adjustments in sheeting to continue to fly right unless the wind is perfect. So when you unhook, a bow/hybrid will tend to have too much back line pressure and begin to slow down/fall back in the window, that is why they feel like a truck pulling downwind, and they will likely backstall if you don't hook back in and sheet out. That is also why it is recommended to trim your kite before unhooking, unlike with c kites.
When it comes to pop all that matters is the power of a kite. So what gives a kite power? It's the apparent wind flowing across the canopy. So when you load a c kite, just like a two line kite, it shoots forward in the wind window. Most of you think that kills the power, but again, power is based on apparent wind speed not necessarily position in the wind window. So the moment it shoots forward you actually increase the power of the kite. Bow/hybrids will mostly slow down as you load, unless you trimmed it a little bit, in which case you are not using the full power of the kite to begin with.
Now slack... again has nothing to do with the kite. All that matters is that you pop hard enough to load the lines up and accelerate forward faster than the kite is moving forward. So the faster you go and the harder you pop, the more slack you get. Since a bow starts to slow down and sit back it is sometimes harder to hold your line and load the lines, so your pop gets thrown off, resulting in less slack.
In the end it is all about rider technique, that is why when you watch pro riders you can't really tell a difference between those on bows and those on c kites. For example, you have Andre Philip who rides a bow kite and always gets slack, then you have Langeree on a c kite and he rarely gets slack. so it doesn't matter. The only major difference I notice, and it is the reason I ride c kites, is that after you slack out the kite and land your trick, you can edge again and a c kite will keep flying, where as a bow will backstall no matter what. That is unless you ride downwind too long, then any kite will backstall.
uuuuuhhhhmmmm...I'm can't be totally agree with you. By my exprience I saw C kite backstall exactly like a bow kite...so I think there are not kite that backstall and kite that doesn't, there are kite that are correctly trimmed and kite not.( trim a c kite is easier )
Also when you unhook I believe that is like to fly a 2 lines kite but no matter wich kind of kite you're riding.( if trimmed well ).
I always thought that load meaning to go a little bit downwind to sit the kite deeper in the wind, and then when you pop off the water the kite shoots forward in the wind.
Finally I think a kite can fly ONLY a the edge of the wind window, and is the edge of the window that change position respect the real wind ( by the effect of your direction and so by the effect of the apparent wind,) and this causes the movement of the kite forward when you edge and backward when you release the edge ( if you do it quickly=slack ). But I'd like to read what do you think about that concept...probably I'm wrong.