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 Post subject: c kite sits further back in the window...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:10 pm 
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I read often that one of the features of a C shape kite is that it sits further back in the wind window and this is what help with unhooked tricks. Many brands that made a "hybrid C" talk about that flying ability, just an example from Ozone website for their C4:

New School Setting
The C4 ships standard on this setting, it provides a slightly heavier and direct feel compared to the Freeride setting. The kite sits back a little bit more in the wind window when un-hooking, providing a more powerful load up and pop perfect for New School freestyle & wakestyle.

Ok, ok...but, what does it means exactly???
How does it help with unhooked tricks???


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:26 pm 
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when a kite sits deeper in the wind window it tugs you directly downwind more, loads up the lines harder, pops more, goes upwind worse


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:12 am 
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When you carve hard to pop off the water, this causes the kite to travel to the edge of the window, because the kite sits deeper in the window it has further to go so a longer power stroke to load the lines, therefore you get more aggressive pop.


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:00 am 
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FarQueLot wrote:
When you carve hard to pop off the water, this causes the kite to travel to the edge of the window, because the kite sits deeper in the window it has further to go so a longer power stroke to load the lines, therefore you get more aggressive pop.



Far, I always thought that with a C kite here's what happens:

You tension the lines, pop out of the water, then the kite yanks you hard downwind. The kite never goes to the edge of the wind window, it stays powered hard deep in the wind window. But because the kite yanks you downwind, you get some slack from the kite because you are headed towards the kite.

Then with a bow kite what happens is this:

You gain a lot of speed, but can't tension the lines that much, because the kite stays at the edge of the wind window. Then when you pop you convert this speed to upward motion but there is not as much yank downwind, and because of this, the kite keeps pulling you with a constant tension the entire time.

But I don't look at the kite that often so I could be wrong maybe a C kite does go to the edge of the window when you pop.


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:10 am 
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haven't analysed it to much but know with c's if ya want to get them to the edge dig ya heels in, same as when ya goin for max pop


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:43 am 
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a c kite don't instant peak to the edge of the wind window...it stay with a constant speed at any angle of attack.

when you pop, you add a lot of angle of attack to your kite, in the following second when you release the pop, the angle of attack become very low.

a C kite at very low angle of attack want to fall, to pivot arround it's front pigtail, and it take more time to recover its power, giving you more time to pass the bar...

with a racing kite, after the pop, the kite accelerate taking too much power for 2 second...giving you good pop, but no slack ! and because the kite sit farther in the wind window, it can disturb you to get a good pop, because the approach become more complicated, and not usual with other kites.


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:16 pm 
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funalex wrote:
a c kite don't instant peak to the edge of the wind window...it stay with a constant speed at any angle of attack.


Do you mean that a c kite flies every moment at the edge of the window while you're riding?

funalex wrote:
when you pop, you add a lot of angle of attack to your kite, in the following second when you release the pop, the angle of attack become very low.

a C kite at very low angle of attack want to fall, to pivot arround it's front pigtail, and it take more time to recover its power, giving you more time to pass the bar...

with a racing kite, after the pop, the kite accelerate taking too much power for 2 second...giving you good pop, but no slack ! and because the kite sit farther in the wind window, it can disturb you to get a good pop, because the approach become more complicated, and not usual with other kites.


What do you mean exactly when you talk albout angle of attack?


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:55 pm 
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You won't really understand until you go fly one.

If you have almost any other kite, if you edge hard directly up wind. The kite will fly very quickly to the edge of the window and you will lose power and stop. C-kites will be much slower to fly forward to the edge.


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:05 pm 
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edt wrote:
FarQueLot wrote:
When you carve hard to pop off the water, this causes the kite to travel to the edge of the window, because the kite sits deeper in the window it has further to go so a longer power stroke to load the lines, therefore you get more aggressive pop.



Far, I always thought that with a C kite here's what happens:

You tension the lines, pop out of the water, then the kite yanks you hard downwind. The kite never goes to the edge of the wind window, it stays powered hard deep in the wind window. But because the kite yanks you downwind, you get some slack from the kite because you are headed towards the kite.

Then with a bow kite what happens is this:

You gain a lot of speed, but can't tension the lines that much, because the kite stays at the edge of the wind window. Then when you pop you convert this speed to upward motion but there is not as much yank downwind, and because of this, the kite keeps pulling you with a constant tension the entire time.

But I don't look at the kite that often so I could be wrong maybe a C kite does go to the edge of the window when you pop.[/quote]

The Cs /at least those I have and tested/, when loaded properly fly to the edge of wind window.Most bows and hybrids are siting deeper in the window and some are producing great pop.Cs may sit as deep as bow and vice versa, but bow does not moving to the edge wich means less or no slack.


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 Post subject: Re: c kite sits further back in the window........
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:53 pm 
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So everyone is agree that C sits deeper in the wind window...but It seems that there are two differents theories about what happens when you pop/edge against a Ckite: basically someone says that a Ckite gives slack because it stays in that positions more than a Bow and someone says that a c kite gives slack because it runs to the edge of the window...Here is what I found searching on the web, look from minute 5:20:

http://mpora.com/videos/PuZkut210


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