Liquid force does not deserve to be in the same category as North or Cabrinha in terms of material selection, build quality or design. I think Naish and Liquid Force may be similar in terms of durability but Naish has one of the longest standing reputations in wind sports and notably better designs.
James,soul19 wrote:Hey CJohnson I am curious as to how you can base that LF is going under? The limited LF kites that I have owned are well built and great performing kites? The session looked like it was similar to the havoc so they created the envy to have a 3 strute kite. The Havoc was replaced by the NRG as it also was similar in performance to the Envy (and that makes good business sense to have a more diverse line up). The Hifi`s that I have owned where great kites and I am looking to buy another kite in that style from them. I have heard some complaints from the 2011 Hifi`s but the Nirvana`s appear to be well recieved (but than they have went back to the Hifi but name changes don`t mean a new kite). I have owned many different kites and have ones that I definitely perfer to others but I have yet to truely have a kite that I thought was a bad kite. I seen your fanfare for Switch and how you praised them for being great kites so I assume that the honeymoon was short lived. The switch guys are calling you out in previous posts and now you have moved on to bashing LF. I hope that you can see that I am only teasing you and that you have brought some needed humor into this thread. I haven`t tried Cabs yet and I am enjoying the BWS noise kites that I am using now. Heck I still have an old 07 waroo that I use as I love that kite and it still is in great shape after all the abuse that I have put into it ! The bar on the other hand is dying a miserable death and at some point I will need to lay it to rest .
James
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Enjoy the Cabs and I hope that they bring you big smiles everytime that you get out
Liquid Force has a very solid construction and you are mistaken big time my friend.C Johnson wrote:Wow. it amazes me how little you know about kite design and build quality for someone who owned and operated a kite repair business. Heavy does not necessarily = no low end. Clearly you have never flown an old C kite.eightsmileys wrote: We all know the Liquid Force, Cabrinha (they used to, i have not seen one of their latest kites), North maybe are the only brands that really use high end materials and a clever construction...i have repaired many kites and these are the brands i would say have very good quality and construction...and Naish although they are very heavily build = no low end! Lighter kites have better low end so it is a balance between weight vs quality.
Liquid force makes cheap kites and it looks almost like they are getting out of the business too. 2013 lineup looks like old designs with different graphics. Its pretty clear the Envy is the only kite they can actually make money on. The NRG is a desperate attempt to break into the racing scene and the Hifi X looks like they went back to the old hifi design because of how badly the Nirvana flopped. There lineup has been slowly shrinking over the years. starting with dropping the session then the Havoc. I was sad to see the havoc go. It was a great kite and ranked highly by SBC but apparently it competed too much with the Envy so they axed the Havoc for the Envy.
I have been seeing Liquid Force dropped by dealer after dealer. The only shop around here that still sells them basically only keeps them around as a board producer and to use the Envy's as school kites. You could argue the reason for dropping them could have something to do with there screwed up parent company that has been suing the industry since the beginning of time.
Liquid force does not deserve to be in the same category as North or Cabrinha in terms of material selection, build quality or design. I think Naish and Liquid Force may be similar in terms of durability but Naish has one of the longest standing reputations in wind sports and notably better designs.
The "made in America" BMX frame market is kinda like that. Whatever state a frame is made in; that is the local favorite and potentially the surrounding area's too.brands -some almost local
I've owned and demo'd a lot of kites - Ocean Rodeo, Naish, LF, Blade, North, etc... LF has some of the best construction of any kite on the market. I checked out the Envy over 3 model years and it's built well and flies well. My GF just bought her 3rd one.C Johnson wrote: Liquid force makes cheap kites
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