Thanks guys i think peter and lee,are right i might be better sticking to 25 meter lines,it gives me a more mellow wave riding feel,as most of my wave riding is in southern ireland and its in a bay long lines mellow the gusts,also i feel with short lines kite leaves power zone very fast and chances of dropping in waves increases,this weekend forcast 3m waves solid 23 to 30 knots sw so stick with what i know for now,thanks again and i wish you all good waves for christmas TONY