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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:47 am 
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mike dubs wrote:
Tony,

This is the new Engine harness site that Alldredge and Rebstock wear. i have one on order. if you look at the accessories part there are pictures of a self made sliding bar similar to mine.
https://shop.ride-engine.com/

mike


Self made isn't a good idea, that tipe of shakle isn't ideal and I prefer CL QR.
I could use a big ring and insert the CL inside?


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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:50 am 
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boulot wrote:
mike dubs wrote:
Tony,

This is the new Engine harness site that Alldredge and Rebstock wear. i have one on order. if you look at the accessories part there are pictures of a self made sliding bar similar to mine.
https://shop.ride-engine.com/

mike


Self made isn't a good idea, that tipe of shakle isn't ideal and I prefer CL QR.
To test I could use a big ring and insert the CL inside?


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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:59 am 
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I removed a hook from a Slingshot Surefire spreader bar and made this.
I also have a Dyna bar. It works well.

You could just use a ring with the line and put you chicken loop through the ring
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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:20 am 
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I just ordered the Dakine slider so I am interested to see how well it performs.


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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:47 am 
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Here is another one that I made last month. Untested on the water due to a wind drought. It seems to work as planned during garage tests. I have this set up for a seat harness.

I took a typical spreader bar and cut off the ends. I heated up the tube with a propane torch and flared the edge of the tube where the line would slide through to reduce wear . I also sanded and wet sanded the edge of the tube to a smooth finish to reduce line wear.
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Then I attached shock cord to the hook with wire ties.
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I removed the harness hooks and added a "D-Ring" to the harness adjustment straps. I decided to tie the line directly to the D ring (less than $2 each) on the static connection. I added the plastic ball (less than $2 each) so the spreader bar tube did not wear on the knot when it slides all the way to the D ring. This is probably not necessary, but, I think it is good practice. I added double layers of shrink tube to finish off the Spectra(less than $5) and shock cord. I find a double layer of shrink tube is much more effective for kite gear.
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I chose to use a snap hook at the attach/detach side which was relativity expensive compared to the rest of the setup. I added a red ball to the snap hook release to make it easier to grab with gloves and cold fingers. The snap cord should be tied above the Spectra on both ends. The snaphook also adds a safety feature by allowing me to disconnect and possibly get out of my harness if needed in an emergency.
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Here is an inexpensive alternative method for attaching the line to the ring after each use and avoid the cost of the snaphook. Just put the yellow ball through the loop.
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This hook travel is 50% greater than my DynaBar V7 which was my main goal. It also brings the hook back to center when there is no or little pull from the kite. Also, the hook naturally stays centered and up so unhooking and hooking back in is easy. I decided to go with a Wichard swiveling snaphook (~$58) to connect and dissconnect. It is rated to 2700 lbs which is overkill, however, it was the right size. There was a less expensive version for $32 but it was unrated. It was probably good enough but I chose to stick with the rated snaphook. It kind of took away from the poorman’s sliding hook goal, but, you could easily work around this feature and keep the poor man theme pure. Aside from the cut up spreader bar this set up could be easily done for less than $26 without the snap hook. The spreader bar was an extra one sitting around just begging to be modified so it was free as far as I am concerned. You could pick up a used one for $10 if needed.

D rings = $4
Plastic balls = $4
Snap cord = $1
Spectra = $5
Shrink tube and wire ties = $2
spreader bar = $10

Options
Wichard snap hook = $58
Wichard ball release modification = $2
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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:13 am 
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Nice work salmon.

On the shackle quick release. I use a Wichard one, used it for 3 yrs in the early days when we used to shackle ourselves in and the last year or so on my sliding bar. They are fine if you keep them clean and use the Chicken loop QR as your primary. If you have a chicken loop that opens i.e a North one, you can just have a ring on the line and put the Chicken loop through that.

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:16 pm 
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boulot wrote:
Mystic and Dakine well known brands, they have nice look (I know is not the difference).
I search forum for belt sliding spreadbar and someone say "the belt wears quickly" and
"I have to tight it a lot" . Hook on belt looks more compact but I doubt about sliding. No feedback on this?

About JAY quality looks ok but i found "the frame bent or brake" more feedback?
It is strange so many say "the single most important purchase I ever made " but no kiter use on my spot.


Hi, we know why our customers say that: fixed hook is inheritance from windsurf and who tries a sliding hook says also "I will never go back". Why?
:thumb: Easy walking on the beach
:thumb: Easy body drag
:thumb: Limits ride up of the harness
:thumb: Less back stress
:thumb: Improved upwind
:thumb: Easy toe side
:thumb: Great in the surf
:thumb: Great in snowkiting
:thumb: Improves racing


Compared to other sliding solution DYNABAR is the most advanced one, designed to be used in all the different kite disciplines. Looking at kiter's home made sliding hook I don't know for how long DYNABAR will be leading :thumb:

After DYNABAR V7 we didn't had a single brake and about frame bend we already explained in another post how we improved the DYNABAR XT 2013 rigidity by adding additional rods. 100gr more weight, 100% more rigid.
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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:51 pm 
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Jaystore,

I asked in another thread, but can we buy just the bar pictured? I already have the pad and other bits.

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:17 pm 
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mike dubs wrote:
Jaystore,

I asked in another thread, but can we buy just the bar pictured? I already have the pad and other bits.

Mike


Hi Mike, we have it in our JayStore site under Spare Parts category.
You can also contact our distributor info@321Kiteboarding.com .


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 Post subject: Re: Sliding hook harness?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:56 pm 
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another option would be to try a treeclimbing harness:

this one comes at a deluxe price, but allows full 3d motion of the attachement ring :

http://shop.freeworker.com/kolibri-multislide.html
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(looks super pro :o - and costs around 300 euro :o :o )
a cheaper one would be this one:

"Timber II SingingRock"
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would be very interesting to use one of these for snowkiting and landboarding.
maybe even for kitesurfing, though not sure about the water-resistance of those treeclimbing harnesses.

maybe more interesting for race-guys, because it looks as if those harnesses would transfer forces directly to the legs, hence less pressure on the back, less risk of disk-damage (like it happened to gunnar biniash "gmb13" last year)


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