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 Post subject: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:39 pm 
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hi guys,

I see that most wave specific kites don't have the great low end (like reo, drift etc)

anybody a recommendation on a wave specific one with excellent lowend as well

cu
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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:36 pm 
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ankers wrote:
hi guys,

I see that most wave specific kites don't have the great low end (like reo, drift etc)

anybody a recommendation on a wave specific one with excellent lowend as well

cu
ankers


If you ride hooked in, low end is a :x for waveriding as it will pull you off your edge and disturb the free waveriding flow, so there is a reason why most wavespecific kites has less low end, but much better wind range 8) (you can not get both)

But some kites has lots of low end - and in the big sizes, 9m2 and up, it is often nice with low end, especially if you are a bit heavier.

The last version (dont know the new ones) of the North Evo had lots of low end, and riders used one size smaller than most other (kites) :thumb:
But windrange/gust absorbtion was sacrificed of course :wink:

:D Peter


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:57 pm 
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ankers wrote:
hi guys,

I see that most wave specific kites don't have the great low end (like reo, drift etc)

anybody a recommendation on a wave specific one with excellent lowend as well

cu
ankers

I can advice you the New Switchkite Method V2.
They have a lot of lowend, but a lot of depower too.
The way kites are build will give you more lowend or not, it is all a matter of sizing your quiver.
I fly the New Switch methods a 9m kite gets me going in 13 knots with a 6'1 strapped surf, I have 80kg.
The 7m gets me going in 18 knots on the same board
and the 5m gets me going from 25/26 knots till 40 knots ( 5m has a huge range)
The waterstart is also very important, and these kites seem to have a waterfear if I may put it like that :wink:

The kites with less lowend you will need to buy bigger sizes ( like Ozone reo's)
I prefere to fly as soon as possible with a smaller size kite it is more fun, so this is why I like wavekites with more lowend.
@ Peter Frank, as I am aware you are more or less considered as a specialist here, Ithe "story " of getting pulled off the board, I do not entirely agree with, as you also will be aware of, in waveriding you do not like to fly overpowered, it is more fun to change your kite instead of depowering it.
So I personally do not see why I would be pulled away if I fly the right size of kite.

As for the price, wavekiting can be more expensive, if your kite get washed in the surf, it needs to be strong..and hopefully not too expensive too ( if you have to replace it), so this is where Switch Method V2 has a real premium as a dedicated wavekite!

Ankers, have a look at the Switch kite website, where there is a lot of explanations on the wavekites.. http://switchkites.com/products/kites/method2.html
Good luck with your choise
Dude :cool2:


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:14 pm 
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one of the guys locally has a 14m catalyst that gets him going fairly early.


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:28 pm 
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Ocean Rodeo Razor. Insane power. great in sizes 7 to 11. 6m can be a bit twitchy and the 12m is a power monster used better on a twintip.


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:02 pm 
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naishdude wrote:
I can advice you the New Switchkite Method V2.
They have a lot of lowend, but a lot of depower too...

nice marketing speech naishdude, but you are wrong.
switch kite makes kites with probably the lowest wing profile in the industry.
and speedy low profile equals good low end and good depower is common misconception. it is only part true. true only for lightweight riders.

how it is good low end when i being heavier rider need at least two sizes bigger kite with lower wing profile to be able to ride same upwind angle as with the higher wing profile kite (unless in superflat water with big fat board)?

i'm not affected by sensitivity to gusts with the high profile kites because i'm heavier than slim guys riding flat kites. so in fact question is really kite for lightweight kiter or heavyweight. and of course there are lot in the middle.

it's the shame some kiteboarding gear brands are prone to manufacture only product suitable for lightweight kiters (like switchkite, f-one, lots of smaller board manufacturing brands etc).
especially disappointing is the fact that those are the brands or designers with lot of experiences but also so narrow-minded in this matter.


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:39 pm 
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eree wrote:
naishdude wrote:
I can advice you the New Switchkite Method V2.
They have a lot of lowend, but a lot of depower too...

nice marketing speech naishdude, but you are wrong.

I wonder if you have ever flown a Switch Method V2?
Dude 8)


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:52 pm 
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Try the Naish Park-North Rebel-Cab SB-SS Rally..

Im a fat fuck, and they works for us, where the likes of Reo etc. just don't rocks our world.


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
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@eree: Disappointing you fail to provide a specific definition and actual measurements to explain your narrow-minded position relative to Switch. :thumb:


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 Post subject: Re: wave kite with excellent low end?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:55 pm 
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naishdude wrote:
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@ Peter Frank, as I am aware you are more or less considered as a specialist here, Ithe "story " of getting pulled off the board, I do not entirely agree with, as you also will be aware of, in waveriding you do not like to fly overpowered, it is more fun to change your kite instead of depowering it.
So I personally do not see why I would be pulled away if I fly the right size of kite.



As I tried to explain - there is a reason why wavekites in generel (for the average weight rider that is) are not low end kites.

You dont want to ride too powered in waves, I agree.

But low end kites has less range than a tad bigger not-low end kites, thats a fact.
(I wont go into the physichs now, but many/most know or have experienced this)

So if you take a smaller kite, so you are powered "okay" when going straight out - then this kite will be much easier overpowered when going down a huge waveface with speed :x

OR, if you fly the kite down deep in or across the window - you have to follow the pull of the kite somewhat (with smaller kites / heavy winds especially), instead of having full freedom to make a curve or line "whereever" you want on the wave - because you dont have to follow the "string".

So the low end kite will generate huge amounts of more power when speeded up - that goes both for riding down wavefaces, as for flying the kite around in the window :o

The tad bigger kite with more range, can be depowered more, and has a softer way of pulling you, so even though these the 2 different kites gets you upwind the very same (same pull when going straight), you will be able to handle more speed much easier with the "depower" kite (the non-low end kite a tad bigger).

This is why wavekites are typically designed with bigger windrange and less low end :thumb:

For freestyle or freeride you dont need this feature - but will usually prefer a bit or a lot more low end instead, so you can use a smaller kite that has a more steady pull, so this is the reason why there is a difference in these kite types, as simple as that 8)


Of course there are huge personal likings and differences, so some light riders like low end kites in waves, and some heavy riders like depower kites - and personal riding style can also influence - but in general above is why wavekites are chosen/designed with more range and less low end, than other kites.

There is a limit, so too much depower is also bad (for the light riders too).

And as stated often, the heavier the rider, the more low end is preferred - to "feel right" :naughty:
We are NOT talking about a similar kite size here, just different low end or non-low end kites with the same pull, choosing different sizes of course - this is important in order to understand this topic fully :wink:


:D Peter


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