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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:16 am 
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DirkGently, don't take this discussion offtopic, please. You can ride whatever you want, nobody forces you to ride RPM/Fuel/whatever.


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:33 am 
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DirkGently wrote:
Lets assume if someone is throwing handlepasses they aren't worried about getting back upwind


when it takes longer to go upwind, you won't throw as many tricks in a heat, you'll score worse in a tournament especially in gusty conditions. It definitely matters.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:15 am 
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edt wrote:
DirkGently wrote:
Lets assume if someone is throwing handlepasses they aren't worried about getting back upwind


when it takes longer to go upwind, you won't throw as many tricks in a heat, you'll score worse in a tournament especially in gusty conditions. It definitely matters.


1st nice way to take that out of context. 2nd this is about learning passes not stomping down 317's, or back mobe 5's on the pkra tour.


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:24 am 
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I got your point about C-kite to have max slack. What else except this?


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:30 am 
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dandaka wrote:
It really annoys to lose your try, when everything else fits except slack. I want to find simple tricks that can teach to get maximum slack.


whatever bro! the answer is being stronger then if you cant get slack with your kite. stronger on the takeoff, stronger on advancing your waist to the bar

the real trick no matter what the kite is to ensure you popped the f**k out of your takeoff, making sure you sink your tail as the final kick coming out of the water, and advancing on the bar for the pass just before apogee (your bodies peak height in the air).

for the blind judge make sure you are grabbing the correct side (back hand) of the bar on the pass and consciously steering it back up as the motion of pulling the bar will have steered the kite down.

(another reason some slack is nice, so the kite isn't as responsive steering during the pass part)


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:35 am 
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DirkGently, it does not explain a lot. Like "higher, faster, stronger" or "do it proper, man!"

As I said before, sometimes its super slack, sometimes its super powerful. I want to understand physics of it.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:48 am 
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The physics are stupid complicated. Here are a few variables off the top of my head that go into it and will all dynamically interact:

-your tack angle to the wind when unhooking
-your kites position in the window when unhooking
-the varying wind in your kite when unhooking (also, during loadup & after pop variability)
-the amount downwind you bear after you've unhooked
-the timing between your initial unhooking and the initiation of your progressive edge
-the angle & intensity of your progressive edge
-steering input during the progressive edge
-the dynamics of your ollie as you come out of the water
-the inertia of your body as it becomes seperated from its edge & advances on the kite

Like I said though, concentrating on going sinking your tail to go HIGHER helps, because getting height from your pop which means you had a good pop which should result in the kite slacking.


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:40 am 
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I love the type of breakdown DirkGently makes and Dandaka makes in his original posting.
I played around with popping as any intermediate kiteboarder has, but unfortunately I cannot hope to offer a solution. A proper breakdown that goes further than "edge hard then release" would help me a great deal. Intuitively I sometimes make the right moves, and most of the times I don't. I can't see why.

For a proper understanding, the meaning of the terms should be clear I think.
For example, what is "progressive edge"? And, what is exactly that you do when releasing? Is it the kite pulling you from your rail, or do you actively flatten your board you release the rail? Or even pop by stretching your legs?

Also it seems that when I build up a nice speed, I can't pop well, while at a moderate speed it works much better.

Ahh well, even after a proper decomposition of the actions, we are still left with the issue of timing. Talking only brings you so far I am afraid. I feel I learn a lot about timing by watching youtube movies from the bigger gods, but putting in practice is a different thing..
Thanks anyway all!


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:13 am 
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dandaka wrote:
2. Are there any exercises to get maximum slack?

It really annoys to lose your try, when everything else fits except slack. I want to find simple tricks that can teach to get maximum slack.


I would love to see some answers on this

In other sport where i´m half good at I can put together some very simple drills that once practiced will improve your overall technique

Is there anything similar?


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:22 am 
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Good topic :)

Easiest fix - get a good C kite :) Hadlow Pro ideally, but Fuel a good option!

Other tips - edge super hard before you pop, this will force the kite hard to the edge, giving it a good distance to drop back whilst airborne = slack. Your board and technique matter a lot, as you can 'slip out' of the edge which undoes all your hard work.

You mention the bar getting ripped out of your hand after completing the pass - that is very strange, before the pass is common, but not after... Are you sure about this?
Also are you riding in gusty conditions? This could explain the big differences between attempts.


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