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 Post subject: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:17 pm 
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I'm training few handlepasses — BJ and 313. I'm stuck in getting stable controlled pop with maximum slack in lines.

50% or more of my jumps my kite (RPM) pulls me like a truck, I get too much horizontal speed and too much air. In the end I can't reach or when I reach my hand can't hold the bar, because too much power in it. Or too much speed makes me shit bricks instead of trying to pass.

No problems with passes on bar handing from tree, so its not about power in my hand.

Sometimes I get this super slacked kite, it can almost fold in the air. I want to learn how to make it in most of my jumps. So few questions.

1. What is most contributing factor of getting maximum slack?

Lets take all factors that influence your pop. I think about these:

1.1. Angle between board and water. How much you edge.
1.2. Angle between your end movement direction and your kite pull. How much you go upwind when you release.
1.3. Angle between your initial movement direction and your kite pull. How much you go downwind before you unhook.
1.4. Arc of your movement. Should it have round shape or more close to spiral? Or should load your edge progressive way, or should you start slowly and load massive in the end.
1.5. Duration of whole "pop" movement. How fast you load and release your edge.

Feel free to add your factors.

What is the ultimate combination to get maximum slack? What is important and what is not? How to understand, what exactly I'm doing wrong?

2. Are there any exercises to get maximum slack?

It really annoys to lose your try, when everything else fits except slack. I want to find simple tricks that can teach to get maximum slack.


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:50 pm 
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sounds like you keep the kite higher than 45 degrees and you don't go enough downwind to get the slack

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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:54 pm 
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zik46, kite is lower, but doing downwind could be the reason.


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:21 pm 
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Going downwind more before you pop is huge. I was having trouble getting my back to blinds before being given this tip, now that and other tricks are much easier. Basically by heading downwind for a bit longer the kite drops further back in the window which will allow the lines to slack more after your pop and thus making your passes easier. Try and you will clearly notice the difference


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:28 am 
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Try a friends c kite and see what you think. I've never been impressed with the RPM.


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:25 am 
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DirkGently, RPM is easy to resell, Fuel is not. Tried it already, slack is just crazy!


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:47 pm 
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So you buy a product that isn't exactly what you want, because it will be easy to get rid of.

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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:33 pm 
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rpm is a real nice kite, I think it's also better for a beginner doing handle passes, the problem with the fuel is that it sits so deep you get only 2 tricks thrown for every 3 on an RPM because of poor upwind performance and in the beginning you will have lots of crashes, you need a kite with good upwind, in any case 99% of the time it's not the kite it's the rider, nothing will convince me that the envy is a good kite for wakestyle but the envy has plenty of pros riding it!


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:10 pm 
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yea but thats because LF's "c kites" have sucked balls since 2009.

RPM is a shit kite for learning unhooked because it has a billion different settings to figure out, a bunch of bridle and pulley garbage on it, so much so you'll probably never get it tuned properly unless you're a rocket surgeon.

C kites are better because if its trimmed right.. guess what, its trimmed right.

We're not debating going upwind here. Lets assume if someone is throwing handlepasses they aren't worried about getting back upwind....and lets also assume that everytime they load up their lines and unhook they want a kite thats going to perform in a way that they want...sag back in the window, provide mad grunt and then slack downwind.


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 Post subject: Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:43 am 
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DirkGently wrote:
yea but thats because LF's "c kites" have sucked balls since 2009.

RPM is a shit kite for learning unhooked because it has a billion different settings to figure out, a bunch of bridle and pulley garbage on it, so much so you'll probably never get it tuned properly unless you're a rocket surgeon.

C kites are better because if its trimmed right.. guess what, its trimmed right.

We're not debating going upwind here. Lets assume if someone is throwing handlepasses they aren't worried about getting back upwind....and lets also assume that everytime they load up their lines and unhook they want a kite thats going to perform in a way that they want...sag back in the window, provide mad grunt and then slack downwind.


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