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 Post subject: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:24 pm 
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I'm looking for a general purpose kite to use in 12-20kn. My existing 13M GK VSonic is getting a bit tired and I'd like to go just a tad bigger so that I can use wake-style boards in lighter wind. My style is "generally messing around" and encompasses elements of freeride and freestyle. I'm 80kg and use bindings (boots) most of the time.

I've got a couple of 4-line bars, so am interested in the kite only.

Wish-list:
    High flow valve
    Single point inflation
    Good depower
    Moderate to high stability

I think any of the following kites will do the trick, so all that's left is the price point. Right now I'm leaning heavily to the Switch Element V3. Are there any other kites I should be considering?

818 USD - Switch Element V3 15
1689 USD - Cabrinha 2015 Switchblade 14
1560 USD - Naish 2015 Park 14
1639 USD - North 2014 Rebel 14
1479 USD - Crazyfly 2015 Sculp 14
1649 USD - Ocean Rodeo 2015 Flite 14.5
1480 USD - Ozone 2015 Catalyst 14
1899 USD - Liquid Force 2014 Envy 15
1409 USD - Epic Screamer 4G 14
1599 USD - Slingshot 2015 Rally 14
1873 USD - Core GTS3 14
1998 USD - Core Riot XR3 LW 15
1361 USD - Wainman RG 3 Big Mama 14.5
1569 USD - Airush 2015 Varial X 14
1539 USD - F-One 2015 Bandit 14
1379 USD - Blade 2015 Trigger 14
1699 USD - Nobile 2014 50Fifty 14
1899 USD - Flysurfer Cronix 12
1200 USD - Star Taina 14
1300 USD - RRD Obsession MKVII 15

These prices are probably only indicative, but it's what I managed to find on-line.
Oh and my existing quiver is 13M, 11M, 8M, 6M.


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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:37 pm 
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Well we can tell you a bit about the Flite if nothing else :)

It comes with a 'medium' flow inflate. You can use the largest hose attachment and put it OVER the inflate valve, as opposed to inside. This is about 25% more efficient than the old insertion style valves, but still not as fast as the high flow valves you see on some brands. FWIW we don't have it because the ones we have tested were not up to standard for us, still a work in progress.

- Yes to single point inflation.
- Yes to good depower.
- Yes to stability, one of the best traits of the kite.

In terms of riding style, it certainly fits the freeride description. For unhooked freestyle, I don't know of a lot of people riding the Flite, but the positive surf related characteristics - the high stability and great drift in particular - lead me to believe it should be a solid kite for that. Only way to know for sure is testing yourself of course.

Lastly, you can get a great deal on the generation 2 Flite 14.5m right now with Kite Zombies - $1,399 kite only, or $1,699 kite+bar.

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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:38 pm 
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So, of course, the only difference in these kites is price???!!! I assume you are being compensated to pimp Switch? :nono:


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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:34 pm 
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Most of those kites have not a lot in common! As a Huge Core Fen I should be advertising the Gts3 for those requirements but the one thing most of those kites do have in common is lack of versatility! I believe the only kite that will come close to those requirements would be the F-one Bandit. It stands out in one aspect, universality! You could ride waves, unhook, loop with ease and have all around fun on it, although for more specific tasks the rest of the kites on your list will make more sense! The Nitro is also quite user friendly, but you get what you pay for! Have fun!


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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:31 pm 
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FLandOBX wrote:
I believe the only kite that will come close to those requirements would be the F-one Bandit. It stands out in one aspect, universality! You could ride waves, unhook, loop with ease and have all around fun on


Again someone talking without having test the kites... The F-one Bandit is not the only universal kite and from far... The Element3 rocks for freestyle and riding waves as the Park for Naish, the drifter for Cab and other North kite.

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but you get what you pay for!

And regarding this, Switchkites quality is from far the best I have seen, before for me the best constructions quality was Ozone and North, Switch is as good or even better. And I won't start to talk about F-one bandit with their biodegradable bars (owners of B4-B5 bars will unserstand) and the leading edge stitch falling apart...

Go for the Element3, 30days money back, lifetime warranty and top performance.

Regarding your weight and what you want to do I would also consider the new Nitro4, Marc jacobs is doing double HP fluently in the launch video, line slack should be good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmvHILSdtZ4


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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:36 pm 
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Add Cabrinha Contra 13 :thumb:


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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:08 am 
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me too for your program I would have a look at the Switchkites Nitro too...V2/V3/V4
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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:14 am 
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For the Epics, I would look at the Renegade 13 Ltd for an all around kite as opposed to the 14 Screamer. I have a Screamer 10 Ltd and a Renegade 13 Ltd 3g, and I fly my friends Screamer 14 a lot. I love the Screamers, but they are a fast turning, big boosting and sometimes scary when overpowered kite. The R 13 Ltd is much more mellow and still boosts well. I am not a regular wave rider, but I am sure it will drift much better too.


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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:34 am 
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For an excellent 14M all around kite look to the
12M Slingshot Rally with the 23" x 27M bar.

It'll easily handle the 12-20knot range you listed and you'll actually stay upwind at 10 knots. You don't need a gigantic lightwind kite for the criteria you list. I'm 84kg. and the 12M works for me.

You can get some end of the season close-outs on the 2014, which is the same kite and would match some of the lowest prices in your list.


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 Post subject: Re: Which 14M All round kite?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:40 pm 
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A three strut kite with drifting capability would be my choice for a 14M (something like a Cabrinha Drifter)... Built tough for surfing/drifting but not too light weight. I have a SwitchBlade 14M (5 Struts) but its not a light wind kite... Its awesome for handling gusty light/overpowered conditions but not light winds in general.

2014 kites across all established manufacturers in general were very good so I would not jump to 2015.


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