KiteCulture wrote:The R 13 will have more low end grunt than the S14, so initial power output will possibly be the same. I only notice it really during that initial kite dive. The R13 sits deeper in the window so the power is a little straightforward, where the S14 eases into the power a little more. Upwind will be slightly better in the S14 given the more forward position… but only slightly really. I found the pressure on the Renegades to be a little stronger than the Screamers. Even in comparing the S10 or 12 to the R11 or 13, there is a little more pressure. Certainly not enough to tire out your arms over a few hours, but it is there.
For me at 145 lbs, the Infinity is an armful in 8 knots! So I'm on the R13 from 8-9 all the way up to 12-15. My go to quiver is R7, S10, R13.
Just my observations, but it's a feel that you need to find for yourself. Personally, if you have the R13, I'm not sure you'd get more out of owning a S 14 as well. Although, bigger jumps in light winds might be the selling point...
KiteCultuer, Have you tried the R13m 4G on the freestyle setting? I think you will find the bar pressure to be pretty close to the Screamers. I am not considering a change atm I love the Renegades but I always thought the Screamers had a bit more top end and a bit less low end in comparison so I was surprised Dimitri had the Screamer out in lighter winds at a demo...
OldnBroken I agree, the relaunch of the Renegades is certainly one reason we choose them.
Something else to add to this whole Provo trip, this is the first time we flew with our new gear, what a savings on weight... we brought 6 kites with us 5m,7m,9m,11m,13m and Infinity (lots of meters...)
and a board each in two golf bags with harnesses, bars, and a shorty wet suits. Both bags were under 50lbs... last year I struggled to pack 4 kites and keep two bags under 50lbs...