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 Post subject: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:24 pm 
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Just saw this video...all true?



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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:50 pm 
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Safer in the waves? Complete BS

More depower over shorter throw? Maybe

Instantaneous 100% flag out? So does a 4-line with single-line flag out

Easier light wind relaunch? Not an issue with modern designs

That said, I really like North kites. Wish they would stop making things up, though, just like they claim they invented everything related to kiteboarding.


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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:35 pm 
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Lol someone must have ordered too many 5th element bars from the factory :lol: or they've now realised double front line flagging really isn't actually the greatest way to make a safety system...


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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:42 pm 
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old post:
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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:46 am 
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g0nz0 wrote:
Lol someone must have ordered too many 5th element bars from the factory :lol: or they've now realised double front line flagging really isn't actually the greatest way to make a safety system...



Nope it ain't and it's something north have to take a good hard look at. It's handy for a quick relaunch as power is left in the kite but when shit hits the fan single line flag is the only way to fly or a full fifth.

I was teaching. My boy the other day on the north quad, got him to quick release and even he said (he's only 6) ' dad it's still pulling me'. I now use a fifth line bar on his smaller dice. The quad is sitting in the shed getting dust. Not to mention all that shit up above you and the need to continually unravel that bloody mini fifth, what a pain in the ass.


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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:29 am 
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Cute video ..but

They forgot to mention the disadvantages oif the fifth line such as:
- added complexity in rigging and derigging
- fifth line wrapping around the kite (which can cause real problems when trying to relaunch)
- more things to snag and go wrong
- kite rolling in the waves can be non recoverable with a 5th line

Several times I have rescued kiters whose fifth lines were hopelessly tangled around their kites in the water. And when I raced with 5 line kites it happened to me too.

In light wind a skilled rider can relaunch a four line kite just about as quickly as a five line kite (by pulling a bit on the front line opposite to the rear line being pulled).

There are those that like five and those that like four lines. There are advantages to both. I personally prefer four line kites like most people. Just my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:58 am 
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Had 4 line kites for like 4 years.
One and i repeat one problem in 4 years, a bad nightmare loop.

Switched to rebels, and in one season:
1) had to flag them like 10 times because virtually impossible to relaunch once they flip in the bad way (that wasn't only me, it was me AND like 4-5 instructors).
2) crossed lines with a guy who didn't have right of way, released, nightmare loop.
3) during a complex rotation / flip line passed the wrong way, couldn't release anymore the chickhen loop.
4) Had to release due to a kite failure, mess of lines, took an afternoon of me + 3 beach boys to sort out the lines mess (line messes are exponential to the number of lines, like 1 line more out of 4 is not a 1/4 more mess).

Out of my season with the rebels my take away was the following:
1) Good kite, good fun, good jumps.
2) If someone shows me again a 5 line kite and dares to say it's safer im going to kill him on the spot.


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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:16 am 
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like simplicity of 4 but still on 5 - safety - no pull flagging - tune 5th - easy relaunch - still huge pain in ass sometimes tho..


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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:12 am 
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@ Toby: If you post the same video twice, at least merge the threads.


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 Post subject: Re: 4 or 5 lines?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:48 pm 
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Did anyone else notice that the kites were pointing away from the direction of the animated wind--and that the kiters were travelling in the same direction as the wind?

Clearly the animation was done by someone who's never kited, and appears to not have even taken a look at any kiting videos to try and figure out how it works. I don't blame them for making the dumb animation, it's the person at North who commissioned this who should be docked pay. It's just really dumb.


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