Re: Elitist segregation in kite surfing.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:30 pm
It all comes down to: "Don't be a dick".
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hehehe. quote of the day!tr3v wrote:It all comes down to: "Don't be a dick".
It's funny, when I and others say that public recreation resources are public and nobody can claim priority, bunches of people start in on the "but we kiters have to give way to other beach users because wah wah wah"...RichardM wrote:Regarding PUBLIC recreational resources, the obvious FACT is that NO KITER can claim any more right to use the resource than any other kiter. Regardless of what type of equipment is being used or even whether they are only BODYDRAGGING.
I think the dude on the wave should get right of way. Certainly in big wave situations you sometimes have limited options and are committed to your line. The outgoing guy has more options he can more easily change direction or haul down wind out of the way. I certianly give priority to dudes on the wave and hope they do the same for me.RichardM wrote: Anyone who honestly examines the pros and cons of who should have the ROW, will see that by far the most reasonable approach is for the outgoing rider to have the ROW, NOT someone on a wave.
After a few of my forum buddies post some of their typical, barely rational explanations alleging that they are "locked into" the wave, along with their even less coherent personal attacks, I'll take the time to repost the extensive justification for my opinion.
Sorry Kamikuza. You’ll have to try a lot harder to try to turn my statements around. I very carefully stated “NO KITERS...” NOT “nobody”. Keep trying, you might eventually get me.Kamikuza wrote:It's funny, when I and others say that public recreation resources are public and nobody can claim priority, bunches of people start in on the "but we kiters have to give way to other beach users because wah wah wah"...RichardM wrote:Regarding PUBLIC recreational resources, the obvious FACT is that NO KITER can claim any more right to use the resource than any other kiter. Regardless of what type of equipment is being used or even whether they are only BODYDRAGGING.
I'm with tr3v on this.
You are correct regarding big waves (and outside reef and point breaks). However, those situations do not occur reasonably close to shore and I suspect that it is relatively rare for kiters not riding waves to be at those spots. My post is concerned with locations where waveriders are riding waves relatively close to shore where there are other kiters doing other things (the type of situations which are common in southern CA).plummet wrote:I think the dude on the wave should get right of way. Certainly in big wave situations you sometimes have limited options and are committed to your line. The outgoing guy has more options he can more easily change direction or haul down wind out of the way. I certianly give priority to dudes on the wave and hope they do the same for me.RichardM wrote: Anyone who honestly examines the pros and cons of who should have the ROW, will see that by far the most reasonable approach is for the outgoing rider to have the ROW, NOT someone on a wave.
After a few of my forum buddies post some of their typical, barely rational explanations alleging that they are "locked into" the wave, along with their even less coherent personal attacks, I'll take the time to repost the extensive justification for my opinion.
There seems to be a tremendous amount of TRUTH to what you say. Unfortunately, it seems like many waveriders try to import the utterly ridiculous pecking order mentality from surfing into kiting. Specifically, I’m referring to the 100% WRONG concept that the most experienced surfer/kiter should have PRIORITY and that less experienced or less proficient people should yield the ROW and otherwise make sure not to interfere with the more proficient. Although, children MIGHT be excused from succumbing to this retarded philosophy, that any ADULT could promote it simply boggles the mind.Flyfish wrote:I HATE THIS FORUM!
I think this is the demise of our cherished sport.
I've surfed since 1976. 8 years old. I got yelled at by a big 20 year Hawaiian dude when I was TEN! You think a 10 year old is gonna steal a wave from a 200 lbs Hawaiian? Why? He's a DICK.
Surfers are DICKS.
I've windsurfed since I was 22. Biggest relief I ever had. I finally got surf waves away from all the DICKS.
Started Kiting in 2000. Guess what? Still no DICKS!
We all helped each other and were cool to each other. Why? You guessed it my friend. YOU DIDN'T EXIST! You were groveling in the line up yelling at some little 10 year old kid.
Surfers are DICKS and I hate seeing them learning to kite. They're little testosterone rats.