So the front flag line will be one piece that comes from the kite, passes through the swivel and then the nylon stopper ball, then tie a knot below the ball. The kite will pull that knot against the ball and against the swivel and it'll stay there.bnthere wrote:you dont need a bungee. that is just to try and keep things neat, but it is unnecessary.flybykite wrote:
So I'm confused,
I'm building a bar. I don't have a bungee. In using one length of q line as the flag line. the stopper ball I'll make from nylon will be at the bottom of the swivel. A knot on the bar side will power the ball into the swivel, the rest of the line will feed through a ring on the side of the QR and have another ring attached to clip into. I'm unable to post my diagram again from page 1 from my phone. Please have a look at it and let me know if you see a design flaw.
I'm off to the kite spot now and no reception so it might be awhile before I reply.
a stopper ball internally mounted in the swivel? is that what your saying? is that going to interfere with sheeting line? also, whats going to keep it in there? what happened to just relying on a knot or joint the centerline and leash line attachement point to act as the stopper in the swivel wall or end.?
the outside the loop mount at the leash attachment point allows for a smooth passage of the leash line, you can use a stopper ball there (below the loop) followed by a steel ring for the leash to clip to.
Read the post Kami! QRing a kite puts it out of your control and should disable it. Things do go wrong and it can lead to a worse situation as discussed repeatedly on here. I assumed that the kiter that QRed all the time was putting himself in dangerous situations all the time, which is what I was questioning. QRing your kite in a crowded area may save your self but put others at risk.Kamikuza wrote:I think this is a dangerous preconception. Sounds like you're on the ball, but I see a lot of people just drop the bar and think they'll be ok - even when it's diving through the powerzone and they're being dragged over the crap-strewn beach IMO if you're not in control of the kite, you should be hovering over the QR.fdvj wrote:I test mine regularly, but have had to use it properly about once a year in a situation, I thought from your post that you regularly QRed during kiting.
Since most kites depower enough when you drop the bar the only time you would need to QR is in a dangerous situation, and when this happens I expect my kite to be fully disabled not merely in a depowered setting and don't mind the fact that it is then unable to relaunch, as more than likely a pack down would be the best option anyway.
I check my QR is free of sand and operates properly (release and reset) just before I hook in to launch.
I did read it read mine too plskthx.fdvj wrote:Read the post Kami! QRing a kite puts it out of your control and should disable it. Things do go wrong and it can lead to a worse situation as discussed repeatedly on here. I assumed that the kiter that QRed all the time was putting himself in dangerous situations all the time, which is what I was questioning. QRing your kite in a crowded area may save your self but put others at risk.Kamikuza wrote:I think this is a dangerous preconception. Sounds like you're on the ball, but I see a lot of people just drop the bar and think they'll be ok - even when it's diving through the powerzone and they're being dragged over the crap-strewn beach IMO if you're not in control of the kite, you should be hovering over the QR.fdvj wrote:I test mine regularly, but have had to use it properly about once a year in a situation, I thought from your post that you regularly QRed during kiting.
Since most kites depower enough when you drop the bar the only time you would need to QR is in a dangerous situation, and when this happens I expect my kite to be fully disabled not merely in a depowered setting and don't mind the fact that it is then unable to relaunch, as more than likely a pack down would be the best option anyway.
I check my QR is free of sand and operates properly (release and reset) just before I hook in to launch.
This is the problem with q-power line, it cannot be spliced because it has a solid core. What you need to do is run some 1/8 Amsteel through the bar and to a "spliced" loop. This is where your stopper will be. It will allow the line to travel in only one direction without a knot.flybykite wrote:So the front flag line will be one piece that comes from the kite, passes through the swivel and then the nylon stopper ball, then tie a knot below the ball. The kite will pull that knot against the ball and against the swivel and it'll stay there.bnthere wrote:you dont need a bungee. that is just to try and keep things neat, but it is unnecessary.flybykite wrote:
So I'm confused,
I'm building a bar. I don't have a bungee. In using one length of q line as the flag line. the stopper ball I'll make from nylon will be at the bottom of the swivel. A knot on the bar side will power the ball into the swivel, the rest of the line will feed through a ring on the side of the QR and have another ring attached to clip into. I'm unable to post my diagram again from page 1 from my phone. Please have a look at it and let me know if you see a design flaw.
I'm off to the kite spot now and no reception so it might be awhile before I reply.
a stopper ball internally mounted in the swivel? is that what your saying? is that going to interfere with sheeting line? also, whats going to keep it in there? what happened to just relying on a knot or joint the centerline and leash line attachement point to act as the stopper in the swivel wall or end.?
the outside the loop mount at the leash attachment point allows for a smooth passage of the leash line, you can use a stopper ball there (below the loop) followed by a steel ring for the leash to clip to.
I'm sure the pictures clarify it all. Simple setup really.
The only part I'm still concerned about is the knot. Not sure if it will wear against the stopper or weaken over time. If it does break or wear, I'll have to replace the entire line.
old as you know the way a single center line flagging system works is that the elastic line is a bit thicker (about 2-3mm) than the kite lines (about 1.75mm) and when it reaches the V or swivel it stops because there is a hole small enough only the kite line goes through. Through the entire lower safety system there is about 3mm clearance or sometimes a bit more so everything passes through.oldkiter wrote: This seems basically a "mini-5th" because it seems that the stopper will not allow the bar to pass it when you do want to release to only the leash/front line. If you run the line from the stopper outside the bar/CL then it would work as a single safety line
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