You were in Cape Canaveral at Cherie Down Park....Cocoa Beach is south of therenoel wrote:I rode last Sunday in Cocoa Beach on the Cloud 17. When I got there, 3 Speed 21s were ride on Spleene Doors. I only had my skim board and a surf board. At first it was blowing @ 7-8 knot sand I could not stay upwind but if I had a Door it would not have been a problem. A 4th Speed 21 showed up with a SS Glide and he could not stay upwind either. Slowly the wind came up to @ 10 knots and then I didn't have a problem and started having fun. It was light enough at times that when 1 of the Speeds went down, it was not relaunchable. I did not drop my kite but am confident that it would have been relaunchable. Then a Dyno 18m showed up and was unable to stay upwind on a SS Dialer. My surfboard was an Airush Cypher 5'8" and was able to stay upwind once the wind came up to @ 10 knots. The Cloud was much quicker steering wise and made for a fun day. So glad I got the Cloud! (especially for 1/3 the price of the Speed)
Yeah, I think there may be a difference of skill or weight going on there. The Cloud has some good qualities, but it doesn't beat the Dyno in going upwind (everything else being equal).noel wrote:Then a Dyno 18m showed up and was unable to stay upwind on a SS Dialer. My surfboard was an Airush Cypher 5'8" and was able to stay upwind once the wind came up to @ 10 knots.
Someone else had mentioned this method before also. I have to try this out next time. When a gust would hit, I would ease the bar and try to point upwind, but the Cloud would just flap around instead of moving forward in the window. I'll have to try it out again and not ease the bar quite so much.Beachboy wrote:I sheet out slowly until the canopy just starts to luff a little, and then sheet in slightly, and I know that I am trimmed optimally for going upwind. It works really well!
As for skill and weight, i am not sure about skill as I don't ride at that spot or with those people. First time. As for weight, we were about the same though he may have been a little lighter than me.davesails7 wrote:
Yeah, I think there may be a difference of skill or weight going on there. The Cloud has some good qualities, but it doesn't beat the Dyno in going upwind (everything else being equal).
I've ridden Cloud 17 back to back with my 14m Rebel and 18m Dyno. 165 lbs riding Slingshot SP 5'4" x 21.5" in about 10 knots. I'd say the Cloud had slightly more power than the 14m Rebel, but the Rebel sits further forward in the window, so ability to stay upwind was about the same.
I'd be interested to see what the projected area for the cloud. Riding side by side with me on the Rebel my buddy on the Cloud, the Cloud's projected area didn't seem much more than the 14m Rebel (which is much higher aspect ratio and flatter).
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