marlboroughman wrote:I fly five lines since 2005 with not a single issue. I use customised bar with wave grenade just in case. I don't buy north because of this patent issue just like I don't buy microsoft or apple for that matter. Fifth line was Wipika invention so no you haven't invented it north. Any company wasting excessive resources on patent wars will fall behind sooner or later. Just recently I bought 2013 Park and immediately I fitted it with five lines because it flu like shit on that pulley bridle. Never had a kitemare with five lines either. All high performance kites use five lines. There is nothing better for kite loops direct steering and axial turning. If you want on and off pivotal turning beginner kite go with four lines but don't call yourself a pro. There is no better system to control the kite that flies deep in the window without backstalling too. For anyone kiting inland in gusty wind tricky launches there is no better/safer period.
heinzbush wrote:The German kite magazine measured the pull after releasing... I will only get the magazine in two weeks, but I already heard that the kite with the largest pull was the Dice... I wonder how the 5 liners compared to the 4 liners... I will keep you posted!
jherlong wrote:I have been a fan of Rebels for four years with a full quiver 12, 10, and 7m... Until now.
The five line system does feel more direct then older four-line systems, although I think technology has now caught up.
The inversions that I have experienced over the last three years have cost me considerable amount of time being dragged through the water, as well as safety risk. When I am ocean sailing or in rough chop, I have found it almost impossible to in invert the kite. One for nine so far. If I get dragged to the beach, it is also a safety risk for swimmers. I have been kiting for nearly 10 years, so I don't think experience is the issue.
I have had to replace the centerline for two bars because the bars wear down the line with the metal insert. This is also cost me time and money to replace. I have two friends that report
Breaking. The new four-line kites are just as easy to land now with the new designs. I am in the process of converting...
I would now recommend to friends to not waste their time.
That is incorrect info on the 5th line, though I can't blame you for the assumptions, especially considering a misprint on the 2013 Evo... When flown on the 5th Element bar, all of our 4-line kites (Evo, Fuse, Dyno, Neo, and Dice) should have a little slack in the 5th line above the "Y". The 5th line is NOT loaded. It is only for safety and relaunch assistance. I know the 2013 Evo has "loaded 5th line" printed on the LE (and maybe on the bag too) but this was an error in printing. It was supposed to say "4 or 5 line compatible". Also, just to correct a technicality, I believe all 2013 and earlier Evos are considered delta shaped, not bow shaped.
JGTR wrote:Westozzy wrote:JGTR wrote:I've been riding 5 line kites for years, they have advantages and disadvantages.
5th line wraps do happen, for me I've a lot of experience with 5 line kites so can get the kite back in the air by turning the kite and sliding the 5th line off buts not 100% guaranteed and will still require a trip back to the beach to re-rig. For a newbie it isn't an easy thing to do. I've never seen a kite cut in half by a 5th line wrap, in fact never seen any evidence online either so I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's extremely rare - I've seen more kites split from just being crashed than 5th line wraps so I'd be more worried about that than cutting a kite in half with the 5th line!
A dedicated safety line that flags the kite out without any spins or loops. Also means I can self land my kites precisely without the kite even hitting the floor, good for kiting on busy beaches Although you must be aware, recovering a kite flagged onto a 5th line can be extremely hard in high winds - but I'd rather be safe and it take a while to get the kite back than be attached to a spiralling kite or on a mini 5th line rare the kite still flies when released to safety
The main advantage of 5th lines is the feel - 4 line kites or bridled kites just do not have the solid feel of 5th line kites, the drive you get through the turns and the solid shape in gusts.
Personally I'd love to fly 4 lines, less to go wrong but yet to fly a 4 line kite that has the feel of a 5 line kite.
On the last point I have found that to except for the Dice. It flies far better on four lines. No difference in canopy shape holding itself together, but way more bottom end and way more responsive.
Maybe, I'll reserve judgement until I get to fly a dice, I take new kite info with a pinch of salt these days as a lot is pimping
Out of interest do u have any affiliation with North??