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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:06 pm 
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Larry,
The kite will NO be fully "flagged" if the bar is only a few feet away after ejecting the QR1 as you experienced. If you were standing and doing a self land the process is:
1 - release QR1
2 - both hands on ids line and walk up line (towards kite) and when u reach bar keep pushing away up the ids line for about 3 meters
3 - if kite did not flip in the U position or leading edge down and still has pull, take a step or 2 towards it.
4 - wrap ids line on end of bar to ensure bar does not slide back down towards chicken loop and power the kite back up.
5- grab all 4 lines and and wrap onto bar.


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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:22 pm 
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Newsflash- the Cab IDS system has always been an unpredictable turd. Ask any instructor who isn't selling them and has to flag that P.O.S. on a regular basis. :D
Glad to see they're finally switching to a single front line flag, but that still doesn't give the Cab pimps a free pass for lying all these years. :wink:

Note to OP- how is it great customer service if they did nothing about the problem and encouraged you to take the bar apart yourself? Sounds like some "mates" I used to know. :rollgrin:

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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:03 pm 
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KiteboardingTampaBay wrote:
Newsflash- the Cab IDS system has always been an unpredictable turd. Ask any instructor who isn't selling them and has to flag that P.O.S. on a regular basis. :D
Glad to see they're finally switching to a single front line flag, but that still doesn't give the Cab pimps a free pass for lying all these years. :wink:

Note to OP- how is it great customer service if they did nothing about the problem and encouraged you to take the bar apart yourself? Sounds like some "mates" I used to know. :rollgrin:

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I am guessing you do not sell Cabrhina kites.

I must have missed all those stories of kiters getting dragged down the beach because their IDS system would not fully flag. I love my Cabs and I know many long time riders that feel the same way. I used another brands bar for a year. After ten sessions, center line looked ragged, chicken loop had cracks in it and rubber floats were ripped. Bar works fine but looks like shit, my cab bars after 30 session look brand new. You can hate them if you choose but to call them P.O.S is non sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:29 pm 
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I bought a couple of 2013 IDS kites because they are going to stop making IDS kites.

With IDS Crossbow or Switchblade I have a kite that is convenient for me to drift launch and pack down.
It may not depower as reliably as a single front line or as much, but if it ever comes to it that that makes a significant difference I will hope to release completely. Its a trade off for many times launching and landing versus the rare emergency when a single front line system will matter compared to the IDS.

I have a relatively safe launch/land system for the many times I self launch/land and if I keep twists out of the lines it should depower equal to a fifth line on the rare event of an emergency or I'll have to let the kite go.


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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:42 pm 
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cab is one of the best mini 5th out there. but there is problem with the original posters bar it should not go 2 feet more like 3 yards. everyone is giving advice on a properly working bar I think this guy needs to let someone else look at it don't seem to be working right


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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:55 pm 
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He should definitely have a qualified person take a look at it. Better safe than sorry.


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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:42 pm 
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Larry,
Just to ensure you dont have some sort of fault in your black PU multibore line or ids line, i would walk our your lines and then do a dry run on land, whereby you activate your QR1 and push the bar the entire 3 meters of IDS line. You dont have to be connected to your kite for this test. It is just ensuring the IDS line is going through the PU multibore line without issues.

Note... in most instances, i find i have to manually walk up the IDS line, and keep pushing the bar away the full 3 meters.

The Cabrinha IDS system if used in the proper manner and without any faults is an incredible tool for self landing and self rescue.

In the video attached to this thread you will notice that the guy tries to slide the bar away with some force once activating QR1 which is fine. However if a person just released the QR1 without forcing the bar away, there is a good chance the bar will slide maybe a couple of feet and therefore they will have to work up the lines till they get to the bar and continue to manually push the bar up the IDS line as the kite would not flag out otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:58 pm 
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Every kite and setup has myriad elements which are supposed to function in a particular manner to accomplish some particular goal and many of these elements work "better" o r "worse" than others in general, in different situations, and/or according to a particular individual's subjective determinations.

That said, I have a particular dislike for the MANY systems where the safety leash line must pass through one, or sometimes more than one, small holes, thereby creating a comparatively tight fit. In these cases, any increase in line diameter such as where 2 lines may be connected, may bind in the hole when there is not significant force involved.

However, the WORST aspect is that any small debris that gets in the hole, and ESPECIALLY if thin seaweed/kelp or fishing line that gets wrapped around the safety line, a jam can be created that either completely nullifies the safety system or slows down its activation to the point that it causes an accident.

Personally, I think the foregoing unnecessary situations represent inexcusable design deficiencies.

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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:56 pm 
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RichardM wrote:

That said, I have a particular dislike for the MANY systems where the safety leash line must pass through one, or sometimes more than one, small holes, thereby creating a comparatively tight fit. In these cases, any increase in line diameter such as where 2 lines may be connected, may bind in the hole when there is not significant force .



You mean like Peter Lynn?


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 Post subject: Re: Issue with IDS deploying on cabrinha switchblade 2013
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:59 pm 
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RichardM wrote:
the MANY systems where the safety leash line must pass through one, or sometimes more than one, small holes, thereby creating a comparatively tight fit. In these cases, any increase in line diameter such as where 2 lines may be connected, may bind in the hole when there is not significant force involved


Richard which safety systems do not have the flag out line go through a hole that's how the single line flagging system works, you have the 1.75mm kite line, the 2 or 3 mm flagging line and a 2mm or so big hole or swivel or stopper ball that the line goes through, naish, ozone, slingshot, liquid force, wainman and the rest of them, or you have a mini 5th line system where the "redline" whatever you call it goes through the system like the 2013 bars from best north or cabrinha here the tolerances can be a bit bigger, as the mini-5th is lark's headed to the swivel system at the top and then only needs to fit the the holes and tubes but it's not that large, somewhere between 2mm and 4mm. Or you can use a 5th line system it won't be troubled by seaweed much. But of the 4 line systems that's how they work they have to go through little holes.


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