Very mature of you Dimitri to be joining a conversation about issues with North equipment - you might actually learn something from Dan's response. And you're absolutely right - nobody's perfect, everybody get their share of issues related to wear&tear, as well as bad QC and bad design decisions. What, however, differentiates good companies from bad ones, is their ability to admit mistakes and to work on solutions. Which - clearly - isn't your company's case. So like I've said, use the occasion and learn, you don't have to be perfect to succeed.Dimitri M wrote: But like I said before no body is perfect.
Dan- I got the two North bars used, so stretch was not an issue.Dan-at-North wrote:Oldnbroken-
I know another brand had problems with their "flecked" lines stretching several years ago. However, our lines are sourced from Teufelberger, a German climbing/sailing/paragliding rope/line manufacturer. We were the first to come out with the 'flecked' lines several years ago, and though many other brands now offer similar looking lines I tend to think they are sourced elsewhere and may not offer all the advantages that our lines do. I'm not saying that they are necessarily worse, but just because they look the same does not mean that they are the same.
In spite of your experience with our lines I've heard from retailers (who mostly stock many brands) that our lines are the best out there in terms of stretch resistance and longevity. I know that we work with Teufelberger to consistently improve the lines we use... Last year we introduced a new version of our lines that improved breaking strength and abrasion resistance while decreasing stretch, and the lines previous to that (also 'flecked') were pretty stretch/abrasion resistant to begin with.
However I agree with you on the bungy thing... In my opinion they cause more confusion than they do good. But Ken designs the best kites in the world and he insists on the bungees.
Hi Dan,Dan-at-North wrote:Whoa. Wish I'd seen this thread before it started devolving. I think I know the little rubber wrapping around the sleeving at the end of the lines that you're talking about. It looks a bit like a thick shrink-wrapping to keep the double-backed/sleeved end of the line from either snagging or from pulling apart. I've never seen an issue with that clear coating chafing/snapping the line, but I will admit that Caesar's looks interesting because the lines are so new and it snapped right at the juncture with the sleeving... In general I very rarely see snapped lines get approved for warranty as they are considered a wear item (use any lines for long enough and they will snap, and usually the first spot to snap is within a couple inches of the far end of the lines, unless they snag or wear somewhere else, for example where they cross when you loop the kite). That being said, if a line is fairly new and it snaps right where it connects to the sleeving, it is probably worth at least having the retailer/distributor inspect it.
I'll see if I can find out if there's any other reason for the clear rubber protection around the sleeving than I mentioned above, but again, I wouldn't stress about it... I have seen dozens if not hundreds of demo bars/lines that all have that sleeving and have all been beaten to crap doing countless demos and I've never seen a problem with them. Beyond that, we've had tens if not hundreds of thousands of bars go out over the years, all with that wrapping, and again, this is the first I've heard this complaint, so don't go and inspect your bars and start freaking out. If you do see some sort of problem feel free to take it to your retailer or PM me with details.
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