So you guys are still using the same chickenloop without an integrated swivel/line untwister?
Does the mini 5th go to one center line or two?
Currently, yes. We aren't ruling out a change to a below the bar swivel on the Above The Bar design down the road but for now we don't offer that option.
The mini 5th takes down both front lines and lets the kite roll over, upside down directly down wind of the rider. ….
2) Without a legitimate below the bar swivel single front line re-rides can be very dangerous. This is because 100% of swivels will fail with time, regardless of design or quality, they will eventually seize. Or, put another way, as a company we need to assume they will seize with time and design our safety systems to work regardless of this eventual failure. If the swivel fails, there is a legit chance for the safety line to tangle on the swivel and cause the kite to not reliably de-power upon eject.
For both those reasons, we elected to go with our Direct De-Power
I have only just purchased an almost new 2013 model 8m Razor (without a bar unfortunately).
So now I have set up a modified North system (great under bar swivel/chicken look safety) that includes a much lower Y than the North 4 line system.
I have little faith in swivels (from days gone by systems) and decided that in the end, it would be more clutter in an area near where the lines cross over during spins and not really needed (swivel under bar and spin both ways anyway)
I did contact OR for some info on the length of the mini 5th that would allow the correct working of the roll-over bridle but due to this crazy world of litigation, they declined to give me specific measurements as they could not guarantee the workings of my setup even if they did give me measurements (so they understandably have a policy of not supporting own bar creation)
I had initially set the mini 5th up for 2.6m with a swivel but after flying in light wind and some info above from Kamikuza (thanks) have changed it to almost 3m without a swivel. Proper testing still to come.