Kamikuza wrote:SalmonSlayer wrote:In no way did I condemn all kite boarders for the actions of a few kite boarders. However it is all of our responsibility to make sure our own house is clean or these issues will happen again and again.
Not in so many words, no. But you seem to be missing the point that all could be punished for the "actions" of a few. It's living in fantasy world thinking that "self-policing" is going to stop bystanders having a moan and we all know that squeaky wheels get the grease - and if you look at DickM's precious MauiNews responses, you'll see Philip and his wife account for the vast majority of the "upset public" responses...coleman wrote:god this argument is so absurd. for years there were no problems and now with this family there is a shit storm. i seriously doubt that there was anything different going on there around the time this family had their complaints.
There it is in a nutshell.
And that's why I have sympathy for the Maui kiters...
It would be harder to miss your point if you stated it clearly and unambiguously in the first place (of course its harder to then weasel out of if it's shown to be excessively ridiculous).
Although I completely agree that it is wrong and unacceptable to punish the innocent for the actions of the guilty, YOU are "...missing the point..." as to WHO IS RESPONSIBLE for the inappropriate punishment of the innocent in this case.
First of all, the only kiters who I would call “COMPLETELY INNOCENT” are those who have NEVER had any knowledge of the conflict and those FEW who have made ANY effort to FAIRLY analyze and CORRECT the situation in ANY REASONABLE manner ("REASONABLE manner" means, among other things, NOT DEMANDING that OTHER people unwillingly sacrifice their LEGAL rights). With this definition, the VAST majority of kiters who have made their opinions known, Or who have sat back and done nothing, are NOT "completely innocent" and in this case the question only becomes whether or not the potential "punishment" ends up being excessive in consideration of any particular amount of "guilt" . This determination is going to unavoidably vary according to each individual because it is so subjective and personal.
However, REGARDLESS of whether someone feels that any potential "punishment" is excessive or not, we're back to the point you are "missing". Specifically, that ALL the kiters who are NOT "completely innocent" pursuant to the foregoing definition, have in fact CAUSED the situation to develop either by their actions and/or inactions. In which case, they are simply REAPING what they've sown. Those that may potentially reap more "punishment" than they deserve should first blame the AUTHORITY for not doing their job and second, the kiters who are MOST RESPONSIBLE for the problems by violating both the ACTUAL law and kiter ethics regarding non-kiters. The non-kiters who did nothing except stand up for their rights are INSIGNIFICANTLY to blame, if at all.
Although you have a right to sympathize with whoever you want, for whatever reasons you want, neither you nor anyone else should DEMAND that others do the same.
As to the IDIOTIC concept that the longer a wrong is perpetrated, the more right it becomes, all a believer need do is to convince the AUTHORITY of this contention (or, more plausibly, that the wrong shouldn’t be classified as a wrong) and thereby get the wrong LEGALLY changed to a right.
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