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 Post subject: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:15 am 
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Hi everyone!

My name is Idan and I'm studying industrial/ product design.
I've start working on my master project and off coarse I've picked something involved with kite :D
It will super help me if you can kindly fill the attached survey, not more than 2 minutes, I promise.. :thumb:

Thank you so much people!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/11pogU-eoWgjBxnhQdSOv4dWxvxAdlkwajQpFH8hs1T4/viewform


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:44 am 
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What country / uni?


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:03 am 
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Israel, HIT


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:55 am 
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thx


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:45 am 
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Done. I'm a product designer but have worked in kids toys for the last 10years. If i was into kiting back then i probably would be designing kites now. Good luck!!


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:35 pm 
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Done.

Is HIT affiliated with MIT ?
I met several kiters from Israel and then realized why so many inventions come out of that tiny country, who knows, maybe the next great improvement will come from this little survey.


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:10 pm 
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and another survey the results of which nobody on kf never will see.

i don't participate in this circus. if you want answers make the results of the survey public afterwards!
we all know brands are spying one after another all the time. but if you want free information you should share. if you manage get more from this data than the other brands its their fault, but conditions for using free information must be equal for everyone.

beside, i don't like the idea of using volunteers information for the developing patents that may (and usually does) make the gear more expensive without actually making the production more expensive


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:31 pm 
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Shall we allow anyone else other that ricki to see if there are patterns that could make for positive change...

nah lets hide under a rock, rely on one person lol No student projects... no new talent coming into the industry... rick can do it all!

These need adding in. Really hope the Aussie guy hold in there - terrible terrible accident as were the other ones. Its kinda shit seeing this stuff but it's from these kinds of things we can learn...

Australia - http://tinyurl.com/nxfloyg

Italy - http://tinyurl.com/k74wy9r

France - http://tinyurl.com/qgbfbqr


It would be nice if shared results in return of your survey. Maybe reassure people here you will publish results here as soon as you have them... then they may participate. This data needs more gaps filled in , in wind strength and user level. Pretty important before you can make conclusions about these areas.

I am sure this would help with your project.

Please make sure you credit "Open source database encouraging proactive solutions and education in kiteboarding" by the kiteboarding community if you use it. It is constantly improving - many have contributed so far.



The database has taken on many more suggestions and concern resolution attempts and come up with some positive changes.

1. Title of open source initiative/database is " Open source database encouraging proactive solutions and education in kiteboarding."

2. Also Includes list of kiteboarders that have saved many non kiting public from drowning at beaches while enjoying their sports - to help increase public respect/ good public perception of the sport.

3. MOST importantly "Potential mitigation measures " have been filled in for most data now. They can be discussed openly and incidents much more easily checked out out than starting from scratch each time with google.

4. Dont want this thread here at top each time there is an edit. Can you move it into the safety forum Toby? I appreciate it was very low quality when started - that is it's nature - still has some way to go..., but it seems to have got a lot better very quickly with the help of others input.

5. Sources should be most direct (ie first one - person saw it) first with tiny url links


copy paste below into txt document - import as comma delimited file into spreadsheet
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Fatal/Critical,date,Country,Location,Experience (months),Experience source,Windspeed/conditions,Windspeed source,Final Contact,Kite,Summary,Most Direct Summary Source first,Potential mitigation measures if any,Source of Opinion
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Fatal,23/9/13,Australia,"Perth, Cottesloe Beach",Hightly experienced 168 ,Kiter on Kiteforum,Moderate/light wind then gust hit.,http://tinyurl.com/pc68q5z,Land,,Hit by an invisible gust while running along the beach and knocked unconcious and was then lofted up onto a road . He was not landing at the time.,http://tinyurl.com/l5ntyz3,Very unfortunate - well respected kiter of 12 years+ . Be aware that a gust can occur at any time. Be very cautious of changable variable conditions.,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,12/5/2013,Canada,xxxxxxx,A few years ,http://tinyurl.com/ky85ja5,xx,,Water,FOne Bandit,Got stuck in deathloop. Witness said for 10 mins.,http://tinyurl.com/kcwcqeg,"Manfacturer look at kite design regarding minimizing death loop risk. Keep kite pumped up hard so bridles cannot wrap so easily around tips. Ensure leader lines are stiff so they cannot half hitch on bar so easily. Leash at front side of harness has been suggested ,not at back. Fone Quick release is not easy to release in many riders opinion - recently redsigned as more modern pushaway QR.",longwhite cloud
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Fatal,11/8/2013,Canada,Lac Saint-Jean,xx,,"Really windy at time, had been storm at night",http://tinyurl.com/l3pscya comments in french at end of article,Water,,No details yet,http://tinyurl.com/mma6vgp http://tinyurl.com/msueg8e http://tinyurl.com/oz8ml52,Take care with weather conditions. Consider heading out another day sometimes.,http://tinyurl.com/l3pscya comments in french at end of article
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Fatal,28/04/09,France,Bidart,xx,,Strong winds,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,Land,,Thrown into Parking Lot,http://tinyurl.com/jwr8pz3,Take care with weather conditions,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,8/9/2010,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Struck Building, dragging started in sea.",source another online- investigate if true - possible duplicate,,
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Fatal,9/11/2010,France,Saint-Jean-de-Luz,xx,,High wind forecast,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,Land,,Hit pier then building,http://tinyurl.com/cnfazcv,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions. Extra caution required with high wind forecasts.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,5/9/2011,France,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Pupil got into deathloop bridle tangle. Rescue attempt with boat. Student stuck with lines under instructor boat, drowned.",Summarized account by the instructor ,Take a look at kite design. Keep bridle kites inflated hard. Always carry a capable hook knife on a kite safety boat.,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,14/07/11,France,xxxxxxx,0,,xx,,Water,,Hit road then building@ launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,not enough information for best effort possible mitgation measures ,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,,Japan,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit trees,Rick I on kiteforum,,
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Fatal,12/12/2008,Mexico,Near LaVenta,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/ld2rlrl,xx,,Land,,Broke Neck on beach,The Oregonian ,Newspaper describes as freak accident as they ususally do. Needs investigation.,http://tinyurl.com/ld2rlrl
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Fatal,1/1/2013,Netherlands,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit wooden pole at launch,kiteforum.com member - needs verification,,
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Fatal,1/1/2007,New Caledonia,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Stuck in deathloop during lesson..,New Caledonian kitesurfer -unverified - chasing,,
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Critical,23/10/2011,Portugal,Fonte da Telha,newbie (water start/first tacks phase,http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,"No info, suitable kite size talked of in source",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,Water(shallow),,"During the water start the rider lost her balance due to the incoming waves and as a consequence the spacial awareness position against the kite. The kite was then flown to the wrong side (land side), the rider lift and projected against the sand, hit with the head in the ground and loose conscience. Accident Consequence - several months in coma, memory loss, speach and written ability loss, extensive recovery.",http://tinyurl.com/oly7y86,"Ensure buffer zone of water is deep enough for an accidental kiteloop for beginners. Teach beginners kiteboarding on the water, not on land, not near the land. Train beginers on trainer kites so they are fully competent and can flt walking around, looping kite, spinning around, fly one handed - more skill experience better. Consider sea state when teaching a beginer. ",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,25/01/2008,Puerto Rico,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,"Tangled with Equipment, drowned",SurferToday.com ,"Helmet, possibly hook knife",
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Fatal,28/08/2008,UK,Lancing,xx,,xx,,Land,,Struck Rocks,xxxxxx,,
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Critical,3/9/2012,UK,Southend,,,,,details unknow,,"Hit seawall, severe injuries",http://tinyurl.com/kckzmnh,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",
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unsure,,UK,,,,,,,,"Plunged 50ft, after possible chickenloop failure. Extensive injuries.",http://tinyurl.com/lbplahr,Maufacturer check design. Flight Check your gear before session,http://tinyurl.com/mr3geqo
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Critical,31/8/2013,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,freak gust,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww,Land,,Slammed into sea wall. broke both his legs and two ribs and needs his heart valve repaired,http://tinyurl.com/p8duoww http://tinyurl.com/cy8tnjt, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",
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Critical,6/7/2007,UK,Southend,Experienced,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,Land,,", Impacted with groin, kite had stopped steering properly. 22 staples in his head and broken ankle.",http://tinyurl.com/lnn9wl3,unsuitable launch area if things go wrong,http://tinyurl.com/nwvajzv
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Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,
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Critical,1/1/2012,UK,Bournmouth,xx,,xx,,Land,,Critical injuries,uk newspaper investigate,,
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Critical,15/4/2013,UK,Poole,Experienced,,"not that windy, were squalls",,Land,,Dragged 30m into sign then into building. serious head injuries,http://tinyurl.com/n5qs369,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,1/1/2010,USA,Maui,48,,xx,,Water,,"Unknown, found on water without kite",Kiteforum member,,
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Fatal,5/2/2010,USA,Forida,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,News media,,
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Fatal,24/11/2007,USA,LAKE KOSHKONONG,xx,,xx,,Water,,Found on water,http://tinyurl.com/m4rn5ns,,
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Fatal,22/11/2011,USA,Cape Hatteras,xx,,,,Water,,"Couldnt relaunch at sea, last seen detached from kite. Found drowned.",http://tinyurl.com/m2kacnb,Give consideration to fact that your kite can be used as a very effective float and item to help locate to you.,longwhite cloud
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Critical,19/8/2008,USA,Florida,xx,,35,,Land,,Huricane incident,http://tinyurl.com/6c3djy,"Rig a kite size suitable for the conditions and your ability, don't rely on modern kite depower. Consider kiting another day in highly changable high wind conditions. Check the forecast before you ride. .",longwhite cloud
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Critical,1/1/2011,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Land,,"Paralysed, HIt Rock",,"Launch, land and ride with buffer zones that also merit the wind strength/conditions.",longwhite cloud
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Critical,1/12010,USA,xxxxxxx,xx,,xx,,Water,,Paralysed - Shallow,kiteforum.com,Be cautious jumping in shallow water. ,longwhite cloud
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Fatal,23/5/2010,USA,San Francisco,xx,,xx,,,,,http://tinyurl.com/nzeaxhz,,
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Fatal,7/10/2013,USA,NYC,xx,,xx,,Land,,Hit rock Seawall,,,
Fatal,23/5/11,New Caledonia,Koumac village,xx,,xx,,Water,,Shark attack,http://tinyurl.com/q6mtyxg,--------,
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Fatal,6/12/2011,Vietnam,,xx,,xx,,Water,,,http://tinyurl.com/p9jyp7e,,
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Fatal,25/7/2010,Italy,Lecco Lake,xx,,xx,,Water,,Violent impact with the hull of a sailboat,http://tinyurl.com/kwaxlwh,"Consider maintain buffer zones downwind that also merit the wind strength/conditions from boats, yacht buoys.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,2/11/2011,Israel,Eilat,,,,,Water,,Hit a buoy pole wearing helmet and life vest,http://tinyurl.com/k9eqmjm,"Consider maintain buffer zones downwind that also merit the wind strength/conditions from boats, yacht buoys.",longwhite cloud
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Fatal,2/10/2008,Israel,Sdot Yam,beginner,,xx,,Land,,"gust of wind swept him from shore to the roof of a home on the kibbutz, 200 meters away",http://tinyurl.com/ldj9ksm,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves life in boating drama,https://www.facebook.com/baskoolecom/posts/10151437454558751,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurf saves 3 drowning men off byron,http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Kitesurfing/Kiteboarder-saves-three-drowning-men-off-Byron-Bay_6393844.aspx,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Charleston Kiteboarder Saves 4 Lives from Capsized Sailboat,http://new.ikitesurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26378,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kiteboarder saves kayaker,http://masskiting.com/forum/kiteboarder-saves-day-pine-point,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves drowning family,http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Kitesurfing/Kitesurfer-saves-drowning-family_1443084.aspx,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer save 3 men from drowning,http://www.geertjantelkamp.com/kitesurfer-saves-man-life/,,
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Kiteboarder saves life/lives,,,,,,,,,,Kitesurfer saves boat people,http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=160&t=2355884,,


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:18 am 
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Hey people,
First of all I am a real student and not a company troll...
I really want to make/ improve something in our great sport, and this kind of survey in this great forum is a priceless source of info for me.

Thanks you again all the good people who already replied, and for the good wishes, @Nick14, @Ben newman, HIT means Holon Institute of technology, Holon is a city near to Tel Aviv, We have no connection to MIT...

@eree, relax, I'm coming in peace, it's only for the best of us..
I will post the answers, but only after a good amount of answers will be filled, because I don't want to affect on the new comers, or turning your great creativity or Intuition down.

In the Israeli forum, on facebook, I've got 158 filled surveys in 3 days! But i wan't to make sure there are no big differences in the world..

@longwhitecloud- Thank you- big help- seriously! :remybussi:

Last, I've got now only 8 answers here, and most of them are from 34+ y old guys who surfs long time, i really need the fresh ones also, you are the main goal of my project..

Thank you again,
Idan


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 Post subject: Re: Industrial design student survey
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:03 am 
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cool

some will help, a few grumpy old men here too tho that think they know everything and have stopped bothering to learn anything new..lol u might try kitesc00p, tell them you want opinions of younger riders not old dudes , they will either heckle you reaaaal bad and make your life a misery lol or maybe help u.. i would guess that they are very clued up indeed.

it will be real interesting 2 c how peoples perceptions ties in with real data. I for sure support students studying this kind of thing.


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