dyyylan wrote:Can't answer that one, but it's always a risk on boards that are built for straps... they just aren't typically meant to handle the additional force that boots pull with when you bail. I'd guess that you'd be okay if you're not going big but I know it's something I'd always worry about haha.
Really? So what do they do with the inserts/construction for a wakestyle board thats different compared to a standard board? Or is it just an easy way to sell 2 boards instead of one? I tend to think the later.
No way. Construction is much more solid on wakestyle boards because they are designed to be ridden with boots. More reinforcement around the inserts, stiffer flex, and more rocker is the norm. Check out how many boards Youri went through when he switched to boots for the PKRA until Brunotti adjusted the reinforcement on the inserts, since he kept ripping them out.
dyyylan wrote:Can't answer that one, but it's always a risk on boards that are built for straps... they just aren't typically meant to handle the additional force that boots pull with when you bail. I'd guess that you'd be okay if you're not going big but I know it's something I'd always worry about haha.
Really? So what do they do with the inserts/construction for a wakestyle board thats different compared to a standard board? Or is it just an easy way to sell 2 boards instead of one? I tend to think the later.
No way. Construction is much more solid on wakestyle boards because they are designed to be ridden with boots. More reinforcement around the inserts, stiffer flex, and more rocker is the norm. Check out how many boards Youri went through when he switched to boots for the PKRA until Brunotti adjusted the reinforcement on the inserts, since he kept ripping them out.
Ok, personally, of those things you mentioned, only the insert reinforcement would be relevent to using bindings i think. Flex and rocker should'nt be a factor (assuming average flex). Maybe i looked at it the wrong way round... so why not use the same inserts/reinforcement that they use for the wakestyle boards accross all boards to illiminate the problem? Ps - when you say construction is more solid/more insert reinforcements - how do you know this? Is it on their spec sheets? or is it just assumed? Sorry, im not questioning you i'm just interested. cheers.
Shinn boards are all boots compatible I believe. The manufacturing process involved in getting the extra strength probably adds cost and weight, so most don't bother.
The Best Procreator and Profanity inserts are held in by beach wood, which is a denser material than most other boards use. These boards are designed to be durable enough to hold boots in even with some rough crashes. They recommend the Ronix boots, but i'm sure most boots would work. They also use an inline inserts to accommodate for different boots.
Its explained a little more thorough in this video.
fdvj wrote:Shinn boards are all boots compatible I believe. The manufacturing process involved in getting the extra strength probably adds cost and weight, so most don't bother.
Yeah it's always money related, otherwise it wouldn't be a successful business. Sometimes a standard fitting that can be used accross the whole range (like shinn you say) can save you more, but then you sell less boards cos the user doesn't need one for bindings and one for straps.
Ok so the vid answers my question. I always thought the inserts were set in a resin within the core as opposed to be directly fitted into the core itself which it suggests from the way the guy explains it in the vid. would like to see the construction.
Hi ,
I guess the raptor pro will be OK with boots it has realy good construction for the inserts...
you can always ask the manufacters info@crazyflykites.com
any way if your are looking for board that design for boots try the CrazyFly Bulldozer or the CrazyFly Nuke !!
Don't forget it's more than insert strength. Boots affect the flex characteristics of a board. You're screwing a large inflexible plate onto the board and increasing the leverage on the board from the boots.
Thats the reason I recommend to ask the manufacture..
by the way the nuke and the bulldozer are design to use with boots it is written in CrazyFly website.
they have really strong consturction and reinforce with Kevlar
[quote="sijandyOk, personally, of those things you mentioned, only the insert reinforcement would be relevent to using bindings i think. Flex and rocker should'nt be a factor (assuming average flex). [/quote]
Flex has a huge impact. In a stiffer board the stiff plate of the binding base is less likely to both torque out your inserts or beak the board at the edge of the plate. Flexy boards are just generally less compatible with the style of riding that being locked into boots promotes. With your feet locked in with the extra control that offers, a more constant and predictable rocker curve just feels better.
You dont have to believe it, but thats the way it is.
Will flexy boards "work" with bindings.... sort of, but its a miss match that cheats whover rides that set up of half the benefits to a propper boot set up.