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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby lewmt » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:33 am

Just not sure about the 6 pulleys? Otherwise looks like a nice kite. Previous kites had no pulleys so ..... why ...... 6? I've flown E5's & 3's + had a couple of Nitro 5's. I really liked the Elements & build quality couldn't have been better. The N-5 was really nice in its upper ranges for size but was too heavy to be fun in its mid-lower ranges. Again - best build quality I've seen & as stated several times - customer support is spectacular.

Maybe 6 pulleys will add performance dynamics I'm unaware of but does seem like a lot of potential failure points?

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby Kamikuza » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:14 am

lewmt wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:33 am
Just not sure about the 6 pulleys? Otherwise looks like a nice kite. Previous kites had no pulleys so ..... why ...... 6? I've flown E5's & 3's + had a couple of Nitro 5's. I really liked the Elements & build quality couldn't have been better. The N-5 was really nice in its upper ranges for size but was too heavy to be fun in its mid-lower ranges. Again - best build quality I've seen & as stated several times - customer support is spectacular.

Maybe 6 pulleys will add performance dynamics I'm unaware of but does seem like a lot of potential failure points?
I've never seen a pulley fail, but plenty of kites without pulleys are failures ;)

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby mr_daruman » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:42 am

Pulleys...my thoughts...

Sands the briddle lines.
Junk can get in. Beautifully snags wet sea weeds.
They do break. Though not often.
Main problem >>They dont always work (usually hard to tell). Needs to be checked. Especially 6.... :o
Many brands use them as shortcut for poor kite design.
Laggy floaty bar feel.

The question is, for an advanced rider what are the disavantages of not having them?

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby knotwindy » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:54 am

Are they actually pulleys or are they the sliders that a number of companies have gone to?

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby naishdude » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:14 am

E v6, to me from its looks and features ( 6 pulleys...long frontbridles) free ride kite

look at wave/ crossover-kites : short bridles( Switch E 4/5, Ozone REO/Enduro, RRD Religion, Slingshot SST wave) minimum/max 2 pulleys to no pullyes....only exception AIrush wave.

we are not all the top specialists with the best waves /wind conditions, may drop our kite while in the wavesection once in a while, at this point we do not like long bridles and or pulleys, just to prevent line tangles( pulleys) and or frontline bridles around the narrow tips ( deathloops)

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby rynhardt » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:25 am

Kamikuza wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:14 am
I've never seen a pulley fail, but plenty of kites without pulleys are failures ;)
Most of my kites have 4 pulleys each.. I've had valves delaminate, canopy tears and canopy failure from overuse. Never had a pulley fail or a bridle failure from pulley wear, and I kite on sandy beaches almost exclusively.
Just check the pulleys are clean when you rig your lines and you're golden.

From a design point of view I think pulleys give more consistent loading under different angles of attack.

Would be nice to hear from an actual kite designer on the pros and cons.

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby kitexpert » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:17 pm

rynhardt wrote: From a design point of view I think pulleys give more consistent loading under different angles of attack.
For sure, pulleys divide loads all the time, so bridle is self-adjusting. Very easy to design, only choose pulley line lenghts and let pulleys do the rest :)

If you check latest BRM kites you can see when four bridle lines are cascaded together (no pulleys), one line seem to hang loose. I don't know if it is bad design but in any case it is much more difficult to make a bridle without pulleys. Nowadays quite usual is to have the middle of the bridle without pulleys and then one pulley at the wingtips to balance loads. There is more twist/movement at the wingtips because steering input is near and chord is shorter.

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby marlboroughman » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:20 pm

alford wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:06 am
I don't recall this unabashed praise I'm now seeing for it now.
Good onshore wave kite always goes unnoticed.
Most onshore wave kiters don't actually ride waves if they do they only try to drift the kite without the whole sequence of movements necessary, including looping.
Onshore wave kite will react in an instant while delivering smooth gentle power. For that it must sit back and turn axially and smoothly without pulling you over. Other than that they are kind of do it all, no fireworks kites.
Industry up to now have created them by pure accident, while almost nobody notices.
Can anyone point to one wrong thing with old Catalyst or E5? How many people realised they were killer onshore kites?

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby gibsonandpickett » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:52 pm

I have used the new E6 for approx. an hour. I have used switch kites since day one, Previous kites switchblades 2, 3 Eclipse thrusters, Takoon furias, nova. The kite is super fun extremely easy to use. It is a great booster(I think as good as nitros which I use) Floats just as good as nitro. Super fast, pivotal turning. Marc Jacobs was down at our beach mega looping the 10 meter. From what ive been told Marc is using the E6 at KOTA. It has 6 pulleys but so do a lot of other kites, Switch blades, Core etc. I have just bought a V9 9 meter edge( just because it was 1700 nz dollars, (used half hr) and new bar and lines. (hadn't used it til after riding the E6) I wondered if I had made a mistake buying the edge. It was that much fun. I used the edge a day later which was awesome. E6 definitely easier to jump and stay in control.
I love my edge!! but I would definitely buy a E6 when buying another kite.
Same as a lot of switch riders they stay with them as there service is superior. You can have spare parts within days and not much cost.
I have been riding nitros from day one but now would use elements.
Only one thing I didn't like with E6 was bar pressure, It was to much for me.

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Re: Are Switch kites getting any better?

Postby Kamikuza » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:35 am

mr_daruman wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:42 am
Pulleys...my thoughts...

Sands the briddle lines.
Junk can get in. Beautifully snags wet sea weeds.
They do break. Though not often.
Main problem >>They dont always work (usually hard to tell). Needs to be checked. Especially 6.... :o
Many brands use them as shortcut for poor kite design.
Laggy floaty bar feel.

The question is, for an advanced rider what are the disavantages of not having them?
The exception to my comment is the Flysurfer pulleys. I've had a couple break on old, well-used kites and they need to be replaced more than say, my Cabrinha pulleys (which is never, it seems).


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