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 Post subject: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:24 am 
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Foil kites that have transformed the face of course board racing were given a reprieve when kiting’s governing body dismissed a mooted ban, instead opting for two sail classes in the Formula discipline for the coming season.

The International Kiteboarding Association (IKA) decided on Tuesday (Nov 4) that Formula will have both foil and tube kite division from January, to the relief of racers who switched to the new generation of kites that left Leading Edge Inflatables (LEI) off the pace.

For more details : http://www.kiteboardtour.asia/news/foil ... -outcomes/


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:44 am 
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I guess that is the sensible decision.

Will it actually make much difference though? Will kiters want to compete in the LEI class? If the LEI class dies away, will the manufacturers commit to LEI race kites?

The White Board standard race board does seem like a good idea, since designs have congregated fairly close together now, but it could be that one big manufacturer will undercut custom makers on price and it could end up as a one maker board.

As for the Olympics - will they be interested in foil kites and foil boards as the fastest things on water in the Olympics, or will they settle for foils and race boards? It seemed that the Olympic Committee wanted kitesurfing to be like urban sports with close racing and man-on-man action within the TV screen.

The future still looks quite muddy.

What if conditions are strong winds and big seas


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:13 pm 
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Good decision, would have made no sense to ban foil kites from racing. I wonder if the big brands will follow the "trend" and design special race foils as well.

The racing scene is still very small and maybe will start growing. Best thing is when sailers would start kiting and competing. The ISAF has so much influence on the Olympic committee its hard to get through and our beloved sport into the Summer games.

Competing in 5 knots should be possible to get as much results as human possible -> Foil boards

I think as a competitor, you always want to push the limits = foil kite + foil board.


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:24 pm 
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So...

- boards: Hydrofoil & tri-fins
- kites: LEI & foil
2x2 = 4 classes in the future?

What about changing weather during race days/week?
- Foil kites class in 40 knots?
- LEI class in 5 knots?

:argue:

There should be two classes:

"Prototype Class": bring what you want and race fast (so San Francisco is happy).
"ISAF- Olympic Class": sailing strategy cursor above performance (but still both in mind), cost-effective gear without sponsor, time-proofed gear (minimum 2 or 3 years cycle), sailing in all conditions (5-40 knots) with reasonable quiver cost.


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:08 am 
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Isn't the key to a successful & popular racing series to have a consistent design class, so that rider skill is more important than equipment? The problem is, the discipline is young & developing rapidly, so that sticking with a single design class, either in kites or boards at this point would probably be premature.


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on  IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:16 am 
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Race should be in the fastes most eficient :foil-foil. but ir must create a standar kite and board for the competition regulating shapes and dimensions, it would intresting that in competitions all riders use the sane foil and mast (brand ) so we could really see who is best


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:58 am 
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Standard kites and standard foil board or race board is bullshit.

Rider size has too much of an effect on the outcome. Riders of different sizes should be allowed different gear.

This sailboat like formula should not IMO be applied to kitesurfing where the size of boards and riders is so different from the size of a big sailboat and sailor or crew.

Skiers and snowboarders are not restricted to fixed sizes as far as I know.


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on  IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:06 am 
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kitenico wrote:
...it would intresting that in competitions all riders use the sane foil and mast (brand ) so we could really see who is best

...but mostly just see who's got the most ideal weight for the equipment in the given conditions.


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:05 am 
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I don't know the details but the World Cup Skiing group, I think has some specifications for skis. There was an article about U.S. Skier Ted Ligety taking the new ski /specifications and figuring out how to make it turn better and at one race his first run was 2 or 3 whole seconds faster than anyone, which is unheard of, he was that good.

I think it is common in other sports and especially racing sports to have specifications and rules on equipment.

But this IKA move seems different, not aimed at unfair advantages by racers, more to keep manufacturers happy. Maybe that is ok since racing is funded by advertising by manufacturers.


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 Post subject: Re: The foil lives on – IKA meeting outcomes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:33 am 
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Dave_5280 wrote:
I think it is common in other sports and especially racing sports to have specifications and rules on equipment.

Fair enough, but requiring all racers in an event to ride the same equipment would be like making competitive runners all wear the same size of running shoe.

Kiteboarders' weight varies. Runners' foot size varies. Both require appropriately varied equipment in order to be competitive.

Btw, part of the beauty of kiteboard racing is that competitors can choose appropriate equipment to suit their weight, which helps to keep things fair. In many other sailing classes, sailors must be near a certain weight in order to be competitive, which excludes the majority.


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