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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:13 pm 
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North leashes from 2011 (I think) all have a sprung cover that goes past the opening point of the shackle. It's highly unlikely that you could have this kind of injury with the North leash……..


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:58 pm 
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North leashes from 2011 (I think) all have a sprung cover that goes past the opening point of the shackle. It's highly unlikely that you could have this kind of injury with the North leash……..


I was thinking the same. My North leash gets annoying sometimes trying to attach, but I guess in a situation like this it may be a slightly safer option and worth the lil extra hassle in attaching and releasing.


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:17 pm 
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A simple redesign could make leashes a few dollars cheaper, safer and stronger, just use a lark's head

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I think the reason they don't do this is because the people that design leashes aren't kiters, so they don't know how to use a lark's head.


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:24 pm 
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or maybe just switch the clip and ring?
so the clip is on the QR end and is much less likely to be an issue and the ring would be on the end of the leash?


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:29 pm 
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The Ozone "shorty" leash is halfway there -- larks head around the spreader bar, but it still has the 'biner on the kite end.

- Stafford


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:56 pm 
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knotwindy wrote:
or maybe just switch the clip and ring?
so the clip is on the QR end and is much less likely to be an issue and the ring would be on the end of the leash?


you don't really want clips at all, in addition to the fish hook problem, if a line gets inside the clip instant kite loop


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:47 pm 
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I have two of these leashes, how exactly do you mean larks head around the spreader bar?
The rope surely needs to be looped freely to ensure it releases.
A larks head will lock the flow of the rope, won't it?

Kev


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The Ozone "shorty" leash is halfway there -- larks head around the spreader bar, but it still has the 'biner on the kite end.

- Stafford


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
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badgb21 wrote:
I have two of these leashes, how exactly do you mean larks head around the spreader bar?
The rope surely needs to be looped freely to ensure it releases.
A larks head will lock the flow of the rope, won't it?

Kev


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The Ozone "shorty" leash is halfway there -- larks head around the spreader bar, but it still has the 'biner on the kite end.

- Stafford


There are two ways to do this. 1) the lark's head stays attached to the harness and the whole leash and the rest of the kite release when you hit the QR. 2) you use a lark's head like in my diagram, the lark's head is not directly on the attachment but on a knot on the leash which gives plenty of play.

Either way you can use one or two lark's heads on the leash and zero carabiners it is a simple design decision to include these hooks.


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:07 pm 
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These leashes are a single piece, they don't detach into two when you release.
You have a clip one end and a big rope loop on the other.
When you release, the rope loop is undone, the whole thing then flies away with your bar/lines/kite.

Please can you be a bit more specific, I seem to be missing the point.

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badgb21 wrote:
I have two of these leashes, how exactly do you mean larks head around the spreader bar?
The rope surely needs to be looped freely to ensure it releases.
A larks head will lock the flow of the rope, won't it?

Kev


droffats wrote:
The Ozone "shorty" leash is halfway there -- larks head around the spreader bar, but it still has the 'biner on the kite end.

- Stafford


There are two ways to do this. 1) the lark's head stays attached to the harness and the whole leash and the rest of the kite release when you hit the QR. 2) you use a lark's head like in my diagram, the lark's head is not directly on the attachment but on a knot on the leash which gives plenty of play.

Either way you can use one or two lark's heads on the leash and zero carabiners it is a simple design decision to include these hooks.


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 Post subject: Re: The danger of leashes
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:23 pm 
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The nice thing about this design is how easy it is to replace that carabiner. You can grab any pigtail they make for lines, and use that instead of a carabiner to attach and detach it to your safety attachment. You lark's head the ozone shorty to the pigtail (sew it to lock it in if u want), run the pigtail thru the safety and lark's head it to itself, to undo you just undo the lark's head.

Leashes usually have that carabiner sewn on so it's more difficult to replace.


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