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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:46 pm 
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They can't even drop the Wainman and just call it Hawaii as the company is Polish and Lou was the only bit that was from Hawaii :D


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:28 pm 
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I doubt Waiman has had much to do with anything in thing company except being on the pics. Same thing for Best.
Epic folded before D left..he left because they folded.

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Yeah, this company will die without him.
Best seems to be muscling through without Shannon with a lot of investment dollars in team, marketing and development. But Wainman has never had that big of a presence. People bought the kites because they believed in Lou's vision for gear.

Think back to when the company was founded. He wanted to make kites and boards that stayed in the market as long as they were relevant, not based on the model year. So if a 2012 board rocked, offer it to people as long as it was relevant. Don't re-invent graphics and technology just to show year to year change that is unnecessary.

I believe the gear was originally designed around his visions, and with that lost, the company is likely to fold. Kind of like Eclipse folded when Dmitri left. Eclipse wasn't named after D, but he was the face of the company and it was where he had taken ideas Airush wouldn't let him develop.

I hope Lou made some money out of the arrangement and moves on to something better. :thumb:
I'm also surprised Lou lasted there as long as he did.


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:07 pm 
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Oldnbroken wrote:
Franz, Bertrand, Nico, Aaron, Sharon and Drew are all affiliated to Lou, not the money guy.
The design of the kites, twintips and surfboards all are due to direct input from Lou, Franz, Bertrand and Nico (and others).
These people are not from Poland.
The presence of the people in Hawaii and Florida are all important pieces to their current product line and the development of the company from the beginning until now.
The Twintip boards are made in Austria.
I think the surfboards are made in China.
The kites are made in a factory nowhere near Poland.
Most of the testing and refining of the product is directly due to this group of people and much of that happens in Hawaii.
The money source is another story.
I hope something positive happens because the kites are unique in kiteboarding, nothing else feels very similar to the Wainman kites. The Joke TT is also a unique board, does not feel like any other twin I've even ridden or owned.
Some small kiteboarding companies are delivering some of the most interesting kites in the business.
Be a shame to be left with nothing but the big five.


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:17 pm 
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Oldnbroken wrote:
Oldnbroken wrote:
Franz, Bertrand, Nico, Aaron, Sharon and Drew are all affiliated to Lou, not the money guy.
The design of the kites, twintips and surfboards all are due to direct input from Lou, Franz, Bertrand and Nico (and others).
These people are not from Poland.
The presence of the people in Hawaii and Florida are all important pieces to their current product line and the development of the company from the beginning until now.
The Twintip boards are made in Austria.
I think the surfboards are made in China.
The kites are made in a factory nowhere near Poland.
Most of the testing and refining of the product is directly due to this group of people and much of that happens in Hawaii.
The money source is another story.
I hope something positive happens because the kites are unique in kiteboarding, nothing else feels very similar to the Wainman kites. The Joke TT is also a unique board, does not feel like any other twin I've even ridden or owned.
Some small kiteboarding companies are delivering some of the most interesting kites in the business.
Be a shame to be left with nothing but the big five.

Like you said these people are affiliated to LOU ! The money guy is from Poland I believe, without this group of people the link to Hawaii is lost. Anyone can test kites anywhere but that doesn't make them from that place.
I also agree that they had a unique element to their approach but I am seeing less and less Rabbit kites around.


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:45 pm 
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fdvj wrote:
Oldnbroken wrote:
Oldnbroken wrote:
Franz, Bertrand, Nico, Aaron, Sharon and Drew are all affiliated to Lou, not the money guy.
The design of the kites, twintips and surfboards all are due to direct input from Lou, Franz, Bertrand and Nico (and others).
These people are not from Poland.
The presence of the people in Hawaii and Florida are all important pieces to their current product line and the development of the company from the beginning until now.
The Twintip boards are made in Austria.
I think the surfboards are made in China.
The kites are made in a factory nowhere near Poland.
Most of the testing and refining of the product is directly due to this group of people and much of that happens in Hawaii.
The money source is another story.
I hope something positive happens because the kites are unique in kiteboarding, nothing else feels very similar to the Wainman kites. The Joke TT is also a unique board, does not feel like any other twin I've even ridden or owned.
Some small kiteboarding companies are delivering some of the most interesting kites in the business.
Be a shame to be left with nothing but the big five.

Like you said these people are affiliated to LOU ! The money guy is from Poland I believe, without this group of people the link to Hawaii is lost. Anyone can test kites anywhere but that doesn't make them from that place.
Every kite company has the flying goods manufactured in SriLanka, VietNam, or several locations in China.
The product designers (CAD guy) can reside anywhere and send files electronically, as we all know.
The graphic designer (CAD guy) also has the ability to work from anywhere.
Testing and demoing kites is limited to places that have wind and water and preferably a place that has lots of wind and water all year long.
Then they need people capable of giving the feedback required to conceptualize, test and refine the designs into great finished working prototypes that are ready for the nuts and bolts part of the company to bring the finished ideas to market.
The question really comes down to where the ideas and the shaping of the products came from.
I believe that had far more to do with Lou, Nico, Franz, Bertrand, and several other kiters associated with Lou Wainman than it did with Mike Husky and the Polish part of the company.
They obviously need both sides of that equation to be successful.
I'm not sure that the guys from Poland have come so far as the group at Best that was running the company (including concept, design, testing, QC, distribution, sales, etc, etc.) with almost zero input from Shannon Best for years before he left.


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:58 pm 
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tautologies wrote:
I doubt Waiman has had much to do with anything in thing company except being on the pics. Same thing for Best.
Epic folded before D left..he left because they folded.
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Well then I guess I bought into the hype. It was communicated that some of the unique aspects of Wainman products were ideas Lou had that were allowed to develop in that environment. I find it hard to believe that he would have started up that venture with his own name if he didn't have a say in the product design, but I honestly don't know any better. That's just what I was led to believe and made sense based on things we knew about his desire to innovate.

With Eclipse... they had a really bad production run and people who pre-paid were left without kites or customer support. If they would have made it right AND Dmitri stayed...they'd probably still be around. But since they didn't, yup... they were done already. Good point. There's more to the Wainman story and maybe they're out of cash also. Hannah just left them. Any other team riders coming or going recently?

If the only things Shannon brought to Best were his name and the Best girls...he did alright. :) But I suspect he brought a bit more.


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:33 pm 
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tautologies wrote:
I doubt Waiman has had much to do with anything in thing company except being on the pics. Same thing for Best.
Epic folded before D left..he left because they folded.
CaptainArgh wrote:
Yeah, this company will die without him...
...I believe the gear was originally designed around his visions, and with that lost, the company is likely to fold. Kind of like Eclipse folded when Dmitri left. Eclipse wasn't named after D, but he was the face of the company and it was where he had taken ideas Airush wouldn't let him develop...

i'm quite stunned...
are you getting in the real world or are you just bashing competitors outsides from the HI?

anyway, i'm in...


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:47 pm 
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Sadly, no one will remember how good or bad these kites flew, just the gangster rabbit and all the pot-smoking innuendos.
The medium is the message. - McLuhan

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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:16 pm 
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the way things are going pot may be legal sooner than we think and the marketing is spot on :cool2:


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 Post subject: Re: Lou wainman quits wainman Hawaii
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:17 pm 
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william_rx7 wrote:
Sadly, no one will remember how good or bad these kites flew, just the gangster rabbit and all the pot-smoking innuendos.
The medium is the message. - McLuhan

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I hadn't really heard of anybody talking about "gangster rabbits and pot smoking innuendos" until you brought it up. Pretty lame. If you wanna hate, that's all you but don't drag everyone else into it.


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